Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Barrister]

There was a year when I would come in to work at 7 and leave at 3:30.  I was in a specific rotation at my office which allowed it (as otherwise I'm a slave to the court timetable).

I actually quite enjoyed it.  The commute was super easy.  No one was in the office to start so you could get a lot of work done in that first hour or so.  We also did it to cut down on how long our oldest was in daycare each day as I could then pick him up a little after 4.

[Sheilbh]

mornings suck. i have to start at 8 at me job. which isn't super early, but still less then ideal. my favourite was the job were i worked 10 to 6 to cover two shifts.

Yeah 10 - 6 is my favourite time slot - though not always finishing at 6

[HVC]

i often stayed later too. but i often stay later now anyway, i just have to get up earlier and am crankier at the end of the day.

[Sheilbh]

i often stayed later too. but i often stay later now anyway, i just have to get up earlier and am crankier at the end of the day.

[Syt]

I find it a lot easier to work a long day from 7 till 7 than 9 till 9.

[Tamas]

The only thing I dislike more than getting up early is working late.

The on-paper working hours of mine from 8:30 to 5PM are quite alright especially with working from home. Nowadays though I am seldom able to actually finish at 5.

[Sheilbh]

Yeah - from the perspective of working in a law firm, working late is kind of baked in as a possibility

It's actually a complaint of some of my more morning oriented colleagues that it doesn't necessarily matter when they get into the office, because there is still a risk of needing to work late. I think that's probably relaxed since everyone's moved to WFH.

[Jacob]

In my industry we tend to have core hours of 10-4, with the rest up to you. And if it that doesn't work for you, you can often swing an arrangement that works for you nonetheless. So some (a few) folks do 8-4, others 10-6 and so on.

[Josquius]

Worth drawing a distinction between true flexible working hours and those places that make you choose a time slot with some slight flexibility.
e.g. At my place at the moment its really flexible where if you're 15 minutes later than usual for whatever reason then it doesn't matter, you just work 15 minutes later some other time in the week.

Well I don't think "I have trouble getting up in the morning" is excuse enough to be late from work. If nothing else, it is disrespectful of your co-workers, especially if they would have to pick up things for you while you are struggling with your reluctance to awake.

As said for most roles I don't think it matters at all. Overall people are steadily waking up to this and reclaiming the world from the tyranny of the morning people. I've even seen some suggestions of shifting school schedules to later in the day as no matter their core schedule teenagers tend to sway later.
Some people are wiped out by 3pm, for others that's their time of peak productivity, we should account for everyone in the temporal-diverse workforce.
I've definitely noticed an increasing recognition of meetings at 9am (or 5pm) being considered rude.

Yeah they are rude because if you are busy you need the morning to catch up on emails and organise your day. Not because somebody might be still having a snug-in.

Having a lie-in is staying in bed until 11.
For some people waking up before 8 is like waking up at 4 for you morning people. Its a literal struggle. And doing this day after day, year after year, can have massive health impacts.

[Tamas]

Oh come on mate. Go to bed before 2AM then.

And I did shifts for 4 years, changing rota every 3 days, now THATS rough, not having to wake up at 8

[Iormlund]

Oh come on mate. Go to bed before 2AM then.

And I did shifts for 4 years, changing rota every 3 days, now THATS rough, not having to wake up at 8

It depends. I used to start work at 7 AM when I was living in Germany. Had no issues whatsoever.

Here though I just cannot get enough sleep. My flat is fairly old and there's little to no insulation. Patty and Selma (my next-door neighbours) seem to be deaf. There's noise every night. usually up to 2 AM, sometimes 5 or 6 AM. Siesta isn't an option either. That's when the Balkan neighbours on the other side enjoy their turbo-folk.  And then there's a 7-8 yo child that screams like a banshee at any time, day or night.

I really can't wait to move. My new place is under construction. It will also cut commute by half (yay, more sleep).

[Maladict]

Oh come on mate. Go to bed before 2AM then.

But why? Those are the best hours of the day.

[Josquius]

Oh come on mate. Go to bed before 2AM then.

Going to bed before I'm tired usually means I sleep later than I would if I waited until I was ready. Not everyone has the ability to sleep on demand.
This is kind of like telling depressed people to just be happy.

That people have different cycles and the world is made for morning people is pretty well known

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/morning-people-night-owls-body-clocks-waking-social-jetlag-athletes-performance-a8690251.html


Morning people undoubtedly are to blame for brexit.

[Sheilbh]

I mentioned in another thread how if the UK vaccinated MPs the way the US has been vaccinating Reps and Senators it would cause riots because it would be perceived as queue-jumping/one rule for them.

An example even when British MPs (and cabinet ministers don't queue-jump):

Rt Hon Grant Shapps MP
@grantshapps
Just received first #Covid jab after getting call from GP Surgery to attend.

Double-checked I was in line for vaccine & NHS confirmed it was due to cancer treatment I received over two-decades ago.

Key message from NHS is- get yourself vaccinated the moment you're offered it.

Which is nice. But a sign of how, as a country we're not in a good place, is that the replies are just full of people noting that they or their friend or someone they met on the bus had cancel treatment more recently and they've not had a vaccine. Just sly accusations of corruption and cheating. It's a sad trend - admittedly far more people have actually been re-tweeting and saying it was good and glad that he explained why he was getting the vaccine now.

Edit: Totally unrelated but just seen the comparison and in my head I knew how bad it was for Labour (and the Lib Dems) but the 2010 v 2019 election maps are incredible. Miliband and Corbyn really were catastrophic.
2010:

2020:

(Orkney and Shetland are still Lib Dem)


Obviously Labour still has the cities. But it feels slightly mad to imagine Labour MPs in Cumbria or Norfolk now.

[The Larch]

But a sign of how, as a country we're not in a good place, is that the replies are just full of people noting that they or their friend or someone they met on the bus had cancel treatment more recently and they've not had a vaccine. Just sly accusations of corruption and cheating. It's a sad trend.

I wouldn't worry that much unless it's overwhelming. So many people seem to live online just to take the piss on whatever.