Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Richard Hakluyt

It is as if the Europeans don't care that they might be cut off from Britain  :hmm:

Duque de Bragança

Cheddar is expendable.

Syt

Most cheddar I see in supermarkets here is Irish, anyways.
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Maladict

Quote from: Syt on August 20, 2019, 07:20:34 AM
Most cheddar I see in supermarkets here is Irish, anyways.

I know cheddar is not protected, but I suppose the UK's protected designations of origin will be lost after Brexit?

Tamas

Quote from: Maladict on August 20, 2019, 07:36:13 AM
Quote from: Syt on August 20, 2019, 07:20:34 AM
Most cheddar I see in supermarkets here is Irish, anyways.

I know cheddar is not protected, but I suppose the UK's protected designations of origin will be lost after Brexit?

Ohh, the Daily Mail will LOVE to post pics of continental-made cheddar.  :D

The Larch

Quote from: Maladict on August 20, 2019, 07:36:13 AM
Quote from: Syt on August 20, 2019, 07:20:34 AM
Most cheddar I see in supermarkets here is Irish, anyways.

I know cheddar is not protected, but I suppose the UK's protected designations of origin will be lost after Brexit?

Recognition of protected designations for food is a staple of every EU trade deal, so until one is not in place between the UK and the EU I'd say that they'd be void, yes, unless some arrangement is found (and in any case they'd still be protected during the transition period).

One thing I wonder, does the 2 year transition period apply in case of No Deal?  :hmm:

Tamas

It is not really Brexit, but this is the best thread for frustrations induced by the particularities of the British Isles, I guess:


There's quite a housing crisis over here, right. Which I guess it's not a crisis if you already have a home. But, the percentage of people who are home-owners are shrinking, and that's like the prime Tory demographic.  Economist had a nice article about this Tory dilemma.

Guildford, a nice, major town just on the far edge of manageable commuting distance from Central London, wanted to build around 14 thousand new homes. Excellent decision, innit?

Well, no. See, Guildfordians want to defend the precious little green areas they still have left.

Something like 89% of the borough is designated as greenbelt. The construction project would have shrank that down to something like 83.9%, including the loss of a disused tarmac airfield, a precious part of said greenbelt.

That just won't do! Concerned citizens of Guildford formed a new local movement against this rampant destruction of their ever-shrinking nature preserves, and this local party proceeded to absolutely DECIMATE the Tories in the recent local election. The Tories have been all but wiped from the town council.

As such, the danger of turning an unused airfield into a block of flats have been successfully avoided, and the green patches of 89% of Guildford are once again safe!



Maladict

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Quote from: Tamas on August 20, 2019, 07:50:01 AM
It is not really Brexit, but this is the best thread for frustrations induced by the particularities of the British Isles, I guess:


There's quite a housing crisis over here, right. Which I guess it's not a crisis if you already have a home. But, the percentage of people who are home-owners are shrinking, and that's like the prime Tory demographic.  Economist had a nice article about this Tory dilemma.

Guildford, a nice, major town just on the far edge of manageable commuting distance from Central London, wanted to build around 14 thousand new homes. Excellent decision, innit?

Well, no. See, Guildfordians want to defend the precious little green areas they still have left.

Something like 89% of the borough is designated as greenbelt. The construction project would have shrank that down to something like 83.9%, including the loss of a disused tarmac airfield, a precious part of said greenbelt.

That just won't do! Concerned citizens of Guildford formed a new local movement against this rampant destruction of their ever-shrinking nature preserves, and this local party proceeded to absolutely DECIMATE the Tories in the recent local election. The Tories have been all but wiped from the town council.

As such, the danger of turning an unused airfield into a block of flats have been successfully avoided, and the green patches of 89% of Guildford are once again safe!

Sounds good to me.

Something similar happening here, but from a completely different direction. The courts are starting to tear up government building permits all across the board. New highways, airports, housing projects, none of it is going to happen because it endangers the climate goals. Never thought I'd see the day.

I mean I recognize this will create huge problems that will need to be dealt with, but I'm quite pleased there's some resistance to the otherwise unchallenged urge to develop.

Josquius

Quote from: Tamas on August 20, 2019, 07:50:01 AM
It is not really Brexit, but this is the best thread for frustrations induced by the particularities of the British Isles, I guess:


There's quite a housing crisis over here, right. Which I guess it's not a crisis if you already have a home. But, the percentage of people who are home-owners are shrinking, and that's like the prime Tory demographic.  Economist had a nice article about this Tory dilemma.

Guildford, a nice, major town just on the far edge of manageable commuting distance from Central London, wanted to build around 14 thousand new homes. Excellent decision, innit?

Well, no. See, Guildfordians want to defend the precious little green areas they still have left.

Something like 89% of the borough is designated as greenbelt. The construction project would have shrank that down to something like 83.9%, including the loss of a disused tarmac airfield, a precious part of said greenbelt.

That just won't do! Concerned citizens of Guildford formed a new local movement against this rampant destruction of their ever-shrinking nature preserves, and this local party proceeded to absolutely DECIMATE the Tories in the recent local election. The Tories have been all but wiped from the town council.

As such, the danger of turning an unused airfield into a block of flats have been successfully avoided, and the green patches of 89% of Guildford are once again safe!




It is kind of related to brexit.
The housing crisis derives from government policy to pump money into London and try to cram the entire economy into one place.
Exactly the same thing that led to the inequality which the brexiters, against all evidence, were successfully able to blame on Europe.

Non-Tory Guildford...strange times.
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Zanza

Quote from: The Larch on August 20, 2019, 07:41:07 AM

One thing I wonder, does the 2 year transition period apply in case of No Deal?  :hmm:
No. If there is no ratification of the WA there is no transition period. The UK then no longer has any legal ties or agreements with the EU.

The Brain

Btw, didn't the UK agree not to change the negotiated WA when they did the latest extension? Or did I dream this?
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: The Brain on August 19, 2019, 10:32:28 AM
Corbyn is senile, isn't he?

His internal logic is impeccable. A more equal distribution of wealth and income can be obtained whether Britain is in the EU or crashes out. If it crashes out the absolute levels of wealth will be lower but what matters is relative equality not absolute wealth.
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The Brain

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 20, 2019, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 19, 2019, 10:32:28 AM
Corbyn is senile, isn't he?

His internal logic is impeccable. A more equal distribution of wealth and income can be obtained whether Britain is in the EU or crashes out. If it crashes out the absolute levels of wealth will be lower but what matters is relative equality not absolute wealth.

Headline: Internal logic not internal enough.
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The Minsky Moment

Fascinating to watch one major UK political party deliberately slam the accelerator to drive the bus off the cliff.  While the other major party watches calmly pausing only to point out there is a better and higher cliff to drive off.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: The Brain on August 20, 2019, 03:01:00 PM
Headline: Internal logic not internal enough.

Quite right as Corbyn is against Trident and nukes, which is inconsistent. A full-scale global nuclear war would do wonders for income inequality.
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