Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Tamas]

Good comment I've seen:

Hope people see how UK is being pushed from pillar to post, by China and the US, on Huawei issue. We can look forward to much more of this, once outside the protection of our EU partnership and desperate for trade deals. This is what "sovereignty" looks like in a world of giants.

But, but... the special relationship! 

Well, the US specially told the UK what it should do.

[garbon]

Good comment I've seen:

Hope people see how UK is being pushed from pillar to post, by China and the US, on Huawei issue. We can look forward to much more of this, once outside the protection of our EU partnership and desperate for trade deals. This is what "sovereignty" looks like in a world of giants.

But, but... the special relationship! 

Well, the US specially told the UK what it should do.

We let the UK be our bitch and want them to like it.

[Josquius]

Corbyn seeks to make Euro elections about social justice, not Brexit, as he launches Labour campaign

I mean, obviously the biggest impact a MEP can make is domestic social policy, especially with Brexit pending.


The only question is whether Corbyn is an indecisive idiot, or is actively working to prevent any solution emerging, so a no deal crash that's not his fault can be orchestrated?

Tyr?

I think orchestrating no deal is a bit much. But for sure I think he knows demanding a sensible brexit is never going to fly with the Tories. And yeah. It's not his fault, he tried to save the country, so vote labour to swoop in and save the day.
Which is ridiculous of course. He must surely know if he becomes pm after a hard Brexit then all his energy will be spent fighting fires.
It's been clear all along that Corbyn has never had any interest in Europe. Insane however how he continues to ignore its existence.
This is certainly a smart tactical move from a labour party pov. But gets us nowhere.

I have read one point in labours defence. Labours EU parliament grouping, if it wins the European elections, will be much more sympathetic to the UK and ensuring a soft brexit than the Tories grouping.
Nonetheless it's probably hold my nose and vote lib dem for me. Would rather vote green and its very sad the vote will be split, but lib dems seem more likely to grab a seat.

[Grinning_Colossus]

Putting a nickname on the birth certificate rather than the proper longer name is officially no longer déclassé (those two being at more or less the top of the pyramid and as such determining what 'classy' is). Something to remember when I name my children.

[mongers]

Putting a nickname on the birth certificate rather than the proper longer name is officially no longer déclassé (those two being at more or less the top of the pyramid and as such determining what 'classy' is). Something to remember when I name my children.

sm. med. and l. Colossus ?

[Barrister]

Corbyn seeks to make Euro elections about social justice, not Brexit, as he launches Labour campaign

I mean, obviously the biggest impact a MEP can make is domestic social policy, especially with Brexit pending.


The only question is whether Corbyn is an indecisive idiot, or is actively working to prevent any solution emerging, so a no deal crash that's not his fault can be orchestrated?

Tyr?

I've been believing in the latter for awhile now.

UK crashes out of Brexit, recession hits, Tories are out on their ear, and Corbyn gets his chance to remake the UK as the socialist paradise he's always wanted.

[Razgovory]

That's the way it looks to me as well.

[dps]

Corbyn seeks to make Euro elections about social justice, not Brexit, as he launches Labour campaign

I mean, obviously the biggest impact a MEP can make is domestic social policy, especially with Brexit pending.


The only question is whether Corbyn is an indecisive idiot, or is actively working to prevent any solution emerging, so a no deal crash that's not his fault can be orchestrated?

Tyr?

I've been believing in the latter for awhile now.

UK crashes out of Brexit, recession hits, Tories are out on their ear, and Corbyn gets his chance to remake the UK as the socialist paradise he's always wanted.

OTOH, there's no reason both can't be correct.

[Zanza]

Latest polls suggest that the Brexit Party has more support than Labour and Tories combined in the EU election.

And it has similar numbers to the Tories in Westminster voting intentions. 2017, Con and Lab were 84% together, these days it's about 50%.

David Cameron did this to quell anti-EU policies in his party and take back lost votes from UKIP...

[Monoriu]

David Cameron did this to quell anti-EU policies in his party and take back lost votes from UKIP...

I fear that history won't be kind to him 

[Tamas]

Latest polls suggest that the Brexit Party has more support than Labour and Tories combined in the EU election.

And it has similar numbers to the Tories in Westminster voting intentions. 2017, Con and Lab were 84% together, these days it's about 50%.

David Cameron did this to quell anti-EU policies in his party and take back lost votes from UKIP...

Yeah, even the most basic and crass motivation for this whole ordeal (saving the Tory Party, country and nation be damned) has turned out to be entirely in vain. The failure of it all is now complete.

[jimmy olsen]

Right . . . another thing I learned is that French GDP increased in 1915 and 1916. I suppose one could argue from that plunging into a murderous world conflict and losing a large swath of territory to foreign occupation is not a disaster economically because the short term economic effects were muted.  There sure wasn't an unemployment problem . . .

You can easily see that France was troubled in 1915 and 1916 through national statistics. Maybe it doesn't show up in GDP growth and unemployment numbers, but it does show up in military casualty statistics and the percentage of territory under foreign occupation.

France's economy did start to crater in 1917 and 18 though, directly because of what had gone on from 1914-16.

[The Minsky Moment]

And from that one can conclude . . .

[Duque de Bragança]

And from that one can conclude . . .

Wars do marvels for unemployment? 

[Tamas]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1127867827883474945/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1127867827883474945&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Fblog%2Flive%2F2019%2Fmay%2F13%2Fbrexit-latest-news-developments-crossparty-talks-labour-is-a-remain-and-reform-party-says-tom-watson-live-news


I am yet to see a photo of Farage with a happy supporter who is under 60.