Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Valmy]

I don't want to participate in Alfred's straw man exercise,

My premise was that Brexit is not a debacle....

Since you are considering that a straw man, does that mean you don't think it is a debacle?

The strawman was the claim that we all predicted that the economy was going to collapse just prior to Brexit so therefore it not collapsing proves something. Or that Brexit might even be a debacle, it completely depends on what form Brexit takes...which we still do not even know.

[Tamas]

Guardian's current rumour is that the UK will be offered an extension until the end of the year.

Which would mean that Theresa May would have the next meaningful vote on her unchanged deal on the 22nd of December, and nothing of substance would happen until then if it was up to her.

So I guess the question will be if she can be ousted by Boris Johnson so he could pretend to negotiate with the EU for a few weeks before opting for no-deal and trying to use the immiediate chaos to undermine any democratic measures/institutions that could oust him from the PM's seat.

[alfred russel]

The strawman was the claim that we all predicted that the economy was going to collapse just prior to Brexit so therefore it not collapsing proves something. Or that Brexit might even be a debacle, it completely depends on what form Brexit takes...which we still do not even know.

I was challenging the premise that Brexit is a debacle. I focused on evaluating whether it was an economic debacle, because I don't see how anyone would consider it a debacle at this point from another angle (it may be for the respect of the political class of the UK, but that is a separate issue).

[Tamas]

Could you either do your Grumbler act elsewhere, or create a DGrumbler sock so it'd be more entertaining?

[grumbler]

Could you either do your Grumbler act elsewhere, or create a DGrumbler sock so it'd be more entertaining?

The Moaning Magyar tries to throw shade? 

[Tamas]

Rees-Mogg's party-within-the-party, the ERG, has started declaring that British MEPs will "wreak havoc" in the EU if they are "forced" by the EU to stay on a long extension.

It is quite remarkable how the Tea Party's British equivalent is led by super-rich derange aristocrats. The rank and file are the same sort of common people in both movements, I am sure.

[garbon]

Rees-Mogg's party-within-the-party, the ERG, has started declaring that British MEPs will "wreak havoc" in the EU if they are "forced" by the EU to stay on a long extension.

It is quite remarkable how the Tea Party's British equivalent is led by super-rich derange aristocrats. The rank and file are the same sort of common people in both movements, I am sure.

I read somewhere that it is an odd turn for Mogg given hist Brexit stance was predicated on how little influence Britain had in ability to make changes inside EU.

[Valmy]

Rees-Mogg's party-within-the-party, the ERG, has started declaring that British MEPs will "wreak havoc" in the EU if they are "forced" by the EU to stay on a long extension.

It is quite remarkable how the Tea Party's British equivalent is led by super-rich derange aristocrats. The rank and file are the same sort of common people in both movements, I am sure.

Does the ERG control all the MEPs or something?

[Valmy]

Rees-Mogg's party-within-the-party, the ERG, has started declaring that British MEPs will "wreak havoc" in the EU if they are "forced" by the EU to stay on a long extension.

It is quite remarkable how the Tea Party's British equivalent is led by super-rich derange aristocrats. The rank and file are the same sort of common people in both movements, I am sure.

I read somewhere that it is an odd turn for Mogg given hist Brexit stance was predicated on how little influence Britain had in ability to make changes inside EU.

Well I guess he is correct in the sense that Britain does have little influence to make changes all by itself. But it can block any changes for the same reason.

Though how the MEPs are supposed to do that I have no idea

[Razgovory]

Rees-Mogg's party-within-the-party, the ERG, has started declaring that British MEPs will "wreak havoc" in the EU if they are "forced" by the EU to stay on a long extension.

It is quite remarkable how the Tea Party's British equivalent is led by super-rich derange aristocrats. The rank and file are the same sort of common people in both movements, I am sure.

Why would you openly declare you will act in bad faith?

[garbon]

Rees-Mogg's party-within-the-party, the ERG, has started declaring that British MEPs will "wreak havoc" in the EU if they are "forced" by the EU to stay on a long extension.

It is quite remarkable how the Tea Party's British equivalent is led by super-rich derange aristocrats. The rank and file are the same sort of common people in both movements, I am sure.

Why would you openly declare you will act in bad faith?

To scare them from granting an extension.

[mongers]

I think Donald Tusk is acting admirable, he's a true friend of the British people.

He should be given an honorary knighthood when this calamity is over. 

[Admiral Yi]

He should be given an honorary knighthood when this calamity is over. 

But is it really a calamity? 

[Zoupa]

The strawman was the claim that we all predicted that the economy was going to collapse just prior to Brexit so therefore it not collapsing proves something. Or that Brexit might even be a debacle, it completely depends on what form Brexit takes...which we still do not even know.

I was challenging the premise that Brexit is a debacle. I focused on evaluating whether it was an economic debacle, because I don't see how anyone would consider it a debacle at this point from another angle (it may be for the respect of the political class of the UK, but that is a separate issue).

Brexit. Has. Not. Happened. Yet.

Why is that so hard to understand.

[Admiral Yi]

Brexit. Has. Not. Happened. Yet.

Why is that so hard to understand.

It's not.

Why is it so hard to understand that people plan for the future?  Do you think that company CEOs are sitting in their offices wondering "golly, will Brexit actually happen?"  And then when it does, that they'll say "gosh, didn't see that coming, better do something about it?"