Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Oexmelin

Que le grand cric me croque !

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Zanza on March 30, 2019, 06:25:22 AM
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Quote from: Valmy on March 29, 2019, 10:05:13 AM
his is why our President and the Executive Branch have increasingly become the government. But it is different here, the UK Parliament is not just one branch of the government. Their power is supposed to be supreme, they cannot just ask the President or the Monarch to decide. They have to do something. Who is going to grab the reigns of leadership here?

Actually, the Crown is part of Parliament, too.  Makes the problem you note even worse.

It really is astonishing how flimsy the facade of responsible British government was (as is the case to a lessor extent  - at least yet - in the US).  The rule that kept everything moving was that the PM resigns if they lose a key vote.  All it took was May's ambition to scuttle that.

The controversy in the UK isn't about the terms of Brexit.  It is about who is going to take the blame for Brexit.
The constitutional change from the Fixed Term Parliament Act took away the possibility to combine a vote on a matter with a vote of confidence. Seems like that does not work well.

Parliament can always vote to change that.
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Tonitrus

Quote from: mongers on March 30, 2019, 08:21:49 PM
Rumours from 'Westminster', May is considering a snap general election.

What could possibly go wrong, I mean seriously it's a master stroke.   :bowler:


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Westminster voting intention (ft. ChUK): LAB: 35% (-1) CON: 32% (-11) CHUK: 9% (+9) LDEM: 7% (+1) via @DeltaPollUK Chgs. w/ 23 Feb


:hmm:

CHUK?

See, now this is why new/independent parties fail.

Even the Pirate party has a snappier name.

Richard Hakluyt

Short for Chuka.

celedhring

Who are CHUK? Those Remain splitters from Labor and Tories?

The Brain

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Liep

What would Labour go for if they won? Remain, a deal or don't they know either?
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Josquius

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The Larch

Good thing they chose CH for their anagram instead of C, otherwise it'd be "kind and sensitive person".  :P

Tamas

Quote from: Liep on March 31, 2019, 04:01:46 AM
What would Labour go for if they won? Remain, a deal or don't they know either?

According to their official stance, they would leave without relinquishing any advantages of membership, including keeping a say in future EU trade deals.

Josquius

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Labour seem to be going for Norwayish. Though without free movement. Somehow.
Hopefully they'd sacrifice the free movement (the thing we should be fighting to keep, not trying to get rid of, jeez) for the trade.
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celedhring

I'd never vote for a Chuk. Maybe for a Larry, or a Bill at a push. But a Chuk?


Zoupa

Quote from: Tyr on March 31, 2019, 05:55:36 AM
Labour seem to be going for Norwayish. Though without free movement. Somehow.
Hopefully they'd sacrifice the free movement (the thing we should be fighting to keep, not trying to get rid of, jeez) for the trade.

So having your cake and eating it too. Again. Why do Brits think the EU would ever accept that? Do they not understand that a Union has pros and cons? You can't just have the pros. Jesus. It's not rocket science.

Razgovory

Quote from: Zoupa on March 31, 2019, 12:59:06 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 31, 2019, 05:55:36 AM
Labour seem to be going for Norwayish. Though without free movement. Somehow.
Hopefully they'd sacrifice the free movement (the thing we should be fighting to keep, not trying to get rid of, jeez) for the trade.

So having your cake and eating it too. Again. Why do Brits think the EU would ever accept that? Do they not understand that a Union has pros and cons? You can't just have the pros. Jesus. It's not rocket science.


How is the Francophone press covering this story?  The American press isn't covering it worth shit, despite 1) It is one of the biggest stories in the world right now and 2) most of the principals speak English.
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