Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Josquius]

Alex William
@AlexoWah    Dec 23

My mother, a Leave voter, has just received an Irish passport, thanks to her grandmother's country of birth, in order to maintain her EU citizenship, having helped to take away mine. My rage knows no bounds.

Sums up some of the Brexiters quiet well.

Yup.
Selfish gits.

[Josquius]

It's funny to look at the papers at the moment. How the same sentences can be twisted.
Corbyn said, somewhere, that he wasn't supporting a second brexit referendum.
Some are saying that this means he has definitely ruled it out.
Others are saying that this means he very definitely hasn't ruled it out.
Again, I would laugh, but its the death of my country in slow motion.

[Josquius]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-now-costing-britain-350m-week/19/12/

Brexit is now COSTING Britain £350m a week


In the irony of all ironies Britain's divorce from the European Union is now costing the country £350 million a week.

According to figures released in the Financial Times the value of Britain's output is now around 0.9 per cent lower than was possible if the country had voted to stay in the EU.

That equates to almost exactly £350m a week lost to the British economy — an irony that will not be lost on those who may have backed Leave because of the claim made on the side of the bus.

Leave campaigners promised in the run-up to the election that Brexit would deliver millions back to the UK which could be invested in the NHS – a claim which has since been proved to be false.

Thanks to rebate money the UK actually only pays in around £199 million a week, although the precise amount of money the UK sends to the EU is difficult to calculate.

Economists for Brexit, a forecasting group, predicted that after a leave vote growth in GDP would expand 2.7 per cent in 2017.

The 2017 growth rate has actually slowed to 1.5 per cent at a time when the global economy is strengthening.

Growth in the UK will lag behind the rest of the Eurozone in 2018, according to the latest figures.

Barret Kupelian, a senior economist at PwC, said: "While the [global] growth outlook for 2018 is positive, there are some downside risks for business to bear in mind, including the progress of the Brexit negotiations and wider discussions about the future of the EU."

Insert clown tears here.

[Maladict]

 

[Tamas]

I wouldn't overplay the bus thing. I think Leave won mostly because bloody foreigners clogging everything up.




Especially low paying jobs no self-respecting Brit would ever take. The cunts. And renting out the shitty "flats" created from what used to be single rooms, generating a great investment for the native middle class. The bastards.

[Josquius]

I wouldn't overplay the bus thing. I think Leave won mostly because bloody foreigners clogging everything up.




Especially low paying jobs no self-respecting Brit would ever take. The cunts. And renting out the shitty "flats" created from what used to be single rooms, generating a great investment for the native middle class. The bastards.

Thats where leave got the bulk of their vote.
Though the bus thing and promises about the NHS certainly pushed them over the line; though I guess with how close things were you can say that about a lot.

[The Larch]

Apparently the EU preparing for a scenario outlined by the UK government itself is discriminatory against UK interests...

Brussels accuses David Davis of hypocrisy over EU discrimination claim

Brexit secretary's leaked letter to Theresa May claims UK business interests damaged by EU's warnings on no-deal scenario


David Davis's claim in a leaked letter to the prime minister that the EU is discriminating against the UK and damaging its economic interests by preparing for a no-deal scenario in March 2019 has been met with flat denials and accusations of hypocrisy in Brussels.

The European commission's chief spokesman, Margaritis Schinas, expressed surprise at the content of the letter and insisted it was only natural for the bloc to prepare for a situation repeatedly threatened by Downing Street.

It had emerged in a letter obtained by the Financial Times that the government has taken advice on the legality of EU warnings to businesses that Britain would be treated as a "third country" after March 2019.

Davis claims in his letter that the EU's warnings could jeopardise existing contracts or even force British companies to move to the continent.

By treating the UK differently from other member states before it leaves the bloc, Davis suggests the EU had been acting "in a way which is frequently damaging to UK interests".

He said that he would be seeking a withdrawal of warnings to businesses which did not make it clear that there would be a transition period and that the UK was seeking a new trading relationship.

In response, Schinas told reporters in Brussels: "Here in the European commission we are somehow surprised that the UK is surprised that we are preparing for a scenario announced by the UK government itself.

"After all it was PM May herself who said in her Lancaster House speech in January 2017 and repeated in her Florence speech in September that, and I quote: 'No deal is better than a bad deal for Britain. It is right that the government should prepare for every eventuality'.

"We take these words from the prime minister very seriously. It is therefore only natural that in this house we also prepare for every eventuality."

Asked whether, the commission recognised the allegations of discrimination and would be retracting warnings to businesses, the official added: "No."

The European parliament's Brexit coordinator, Guy Verhofstadt, told the Guardian that it was the UK government that was guilty of damaging the UK's economic interests. He defended the bloc's right to prepare for the worst-case scenario.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/09/david-davis-complains-of-eu-discrimination-in-leaked-letter

[Iormlund]

I love this dude's comment:

    In response, [EU Spokesperson] Schinas told reporters in Brussels: "Here in the European commission we are somehow surprised that the UK is surprised that we are preparing for a scenario announced by the UK government itself."

    "After all, it was PM May herself who said in her Lancaster House speech in January 2017 and repeated in her Florence speech in September that, and I quote: "No deal is better than a bad deal for Britain. It is right that the government should prepare for every eventuality".

    "We take these words from the prime minister very seriously. It is therefore only natural that in this house we also prepare for every eventuality."

    Asked whether, the commission recognised the allegations of discrimination and would be retracting warnings to businesses, the official added: "No."

What a time to be alive.

[The Minsky Moment]

Apparently the EU preparing for a scenario outlined by the UK government itself is discriminatory against UK interests...

. . .

Davis claims in his letter that the EU's warnings could jeopardise existing contracts or even force British companies to move to the continent....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/09/david-davis-complains-of-eu-discrimination-in-leaked-letter

There's this thing called cause and effect, David.

[Josquius]

Not the first time they've pulled this. They love screaming about blackmail whilst blackmailing the EU.

[Tamas]

Labour is likely to announce by the spring that it wants to stay indefinitely in a modified version of the European customs union.

Senior Labour figures, including MPs for Brexit-supporting areas, said the move was intended to mark a significant break from the government's policy.

NO ITS NOT DIFFERENT. YOU WANT THE EU TO CREATE A SPECIAL DEAL FOR YOU WHERE YOU GET EVERYTHING THE EU HAS TO OFFER, WITHOUT GIVING ANYTHING IT REQUIRES. YOU ARE ASKING TO DESTROY THE EUROPEAN UNION. FUCKING DIMWITS.


FFS there is being non-commital for vote maximising reason, and there is selling dangerous delusions to your electorate.

[garbon]

Well that is the Times who is making that report. Not exactly a source aligned with Labour...

[Tamas]

Well that is the Times who is making that report. Not exactly a source aligned with Labour...

Yes but it is far from being the first time I read that from Labour leaders. The whole "reformed customs union".

[Richard Hakluyt]

Labour is just as much a party of Brexit as the Tories. For the half that voted remain we have half-a-dozen Liberal Democrats and Ken Clarke to represent our interests.

[garbon]

Well that is the Times who is making that report. Not exactly a source aligned with Labour...

Yes but it is far from being the first time I read that from Labour leaders. The whole "reformed customs union".

I think it seems pretty clear that Labour is split on what to think and feel about Brexit. The leader of Labour seems to be very against any sort of union.