Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[mongers]

More than half of the Tory 'leadership' candidates are indulging in shameful populism with the ludicrous promises:

Johnson - I won't pay the 'divorce bill' and I'll cut the higher tax rate.

Gove - I'd cancel VAT and replace it with a simple sales tax.

Hunt - I'll double defence spending.

Some other wanker who's name I forget - I'll slash income tax.

[Tamas]

Yeah, this guy is right:

https://politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/06/07/week-in-review-the-tory-party-is-fast-losing-its-mind

[Tamas]

It seems remarakably stupid that since Farage is a (perceived) danger to their support on the extreme ends, they decide to pull that direction hard, instead of trying to eat up the middle which is WIDE open following Comrade Corbyn's stranglehold on Labour.

This is the most classic mistake the (formerly) moderate Right can make, thinking they can control and contain the lunatics. They should have looked at the Republicans to see how that worked out.

In a few years Farage will be a Conservative-backed PM, if this goes on.

[Valmy]

The Republicans can pull it off with little consequences because we have a two party system. In Britain there are other parties around to eventually grab your votes if you fall off the wagon too hard.

[Richard Hakluyt]

There were always a lot of bastards in the tory party; this high proportion of delusional wankers is fairly recent though. I can't see their vote share improving while they peddle this sort of nonsense.

[Malthus]

Plus, in big North American cities at least, anti-Jewish prejudice is the exclusive province of nutters. I never see it in real life.

It's not just the big cities;  the same thing is true in rural Appalachia in my experience.

Fair enough - I'm just not familiar with attitudes in rural Appalachia. 

What a contrast with social media though. Jew-hatred is ubiquitous online.

[Valmy]

What a contrast with social media though. Jew-hatred is ubiquitous online.

I know. There is no subject obscure enough that anti-Semites cannot throw in some random Jew-hatred.

[Tamas]

My all-time favourite comes from the real world though. My grandma told me once a guy she knew from the village did not get a warehouse job (as in, moving and packing shit) where she was working. The guy explained it is because of those bloody Jews giving all the good jobs to each other.

[Malthus]

What a contrast with social media though. Jew-hatred is ubiquitous online.

I know. There is no subject obscure enough that anti-Semites cannot throw in some random Jew-hatred.

This adds to the weirdness of being a north American Jew.

At one and the same time:

- No-one around you really gives a damn one way or the other about Jews (except perhaps in the sense of a collection of stereotypes like Yi mentioned - lousy tippers, loudmouths, 'Jewish American Princesses' being super high maintenance, etc. - the same sort of thing every ethnic group gets); yet

- the world appears to be filled with people who fear you, hate you and/or want you dead. Go online, and they are everywhere. They are all over the news. The afore-mentioned British politicians pander to them. If you go to a big synagogue, they often have armed guards. 

[Duque de Bragança]

- the world appears to be filled with people who fear you, hate you and/or want you dead. Go online, and they are everywhere. They are all over the news. The afore-mentioned British politicians pander to them. If you go to a big synagogue, they often have armed guards.

That's banlieue-like level, over here.

[dps]

What a contrast with social media though. Jew-hatred is ubiquitous online.

I know. There is no subject obscure enough that anti-Semites cannot throw in some random Jew-hatred.

This adds to the weirdness of being a north American Jew.

At one and the same time:

- No-one around you really gives a damn one way or the other about Jews (except perhaps in the sense of a collection of stereotypes like Yi mentioned - lousy tippers, loudmouths, 'Jewish American Princesses' being super high maintenance, etc. - the same sort of thing every ethnic group gets); yet

- the world appears to be filled with people who fear you, hate you and/or want you dead. Go online, and they are everywhere. They are all over the news. The afore-mentioned British politicians pander to them. If you go to a big synagogue, they often have armed guards. 

I'm sure that part of that is due to what you alluded to earlier--with the exception of a few small groups such as Hasidic Jews, you can't jut look at someone and tell that they're Jewish.

Something else, though, too.  I may be wrong about this, but for the most part, the goals of anti-Semites seem different from the goals of many other hate groups.  White supremists, for example, don't, for the most part, want to exterminate blacks, they want them subjugated;  whereas anti-Semites general want to finish Hitler's work. 

[Richard Hakluyt]

Oh i think there are plenty of anti-semites who just don't want Jews in their yachting and golf clubs. That Groucho Marx quote is far more pointed than at first glance.

[Malthus]

I'm sure that part of that is due to what you alluded to earlier--with the exception of a few small groups such as Hasidic Jews, you can't jut look at someone and tell that they're Jewish.

That probably has something to do with it. But I definitely get the impression that people around me, by and large, are not into Jew hating, even in a casual way; in the not so distant past, use of anti-Jewish tropes was much more common. 

Something else, though, too.  I may be wrong about this, but for the most part, the goals of anti-Semites seem different from the goals of many other hate groups.  White supremists, for example, don't, for the most part, want to exterminate blacks, they want them subjugated;  whereas anti-Semites general want to finish Hitler's work.

I agree.

Modern day racists usually hate other races because they are alleged to be inferior (to them). Jew-haters usually hate Jews because they are alleged to be superior (to them). In a White supremacist utopia, for example, Black inferiority would be legally recognized and presumably Blacks would be treated as slaves, like in the antebellum South. In a Jew-hater utopia, Jews would not exist at all.

[Zanza]

Tory voters in favor of proroguing parliament to deliver Brexit. Presumably so are the party members that decide on a new PM soon. So much for taking back control. Whoever is supposed to take control, it is clearly not the sovereign parliament.

If a new PM forces no deal by suspending parliament until Britain drops out of the EU by default, Britain will have zero legal framework in place to handle no deal as well as there are hundreds of pieces of legislation still pending to facilitate no deal. There would be no institutions to replace the more than thirty EU agencies Britain is leaving, there would no trade bill regulating international trade once the single market rules don't apply anymore.

This is not a conservative party anymore, but a radical party that is edging closer to implementing an extreme policy shift based on a minority ideology without parliamentarian majority, support in polls or any plan beyond the cathartic point of crisis. 

[Josquius]

Whats particularly painful is when you talk to these no deal cunts about what they plan next it basically amounts to getting a deal