Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Josquius]

The EU is supposed to tell its member states this week to start prepping for a no-deal crashout.

I will be able to just about slide in and get my permanent residency here in the UK (assuming the Home Office will work fast enough once I am eligible to request), but my wife won't.

But at least the Brits are more practical about missing paperwork and such than some other countries.

How come? She's there already right?

She arrived on a PhD scholarship and that doesn't count as paying for healthcare, so those years don't count for the 5 you need.

She can't get permanent residence now but she can still stay under standard EU rules right?

I understood if you get in before the door shuts then you're in under the old system

[Tamas]

Yes of course I meant all that in case the UK crashes out with no deal. That would mean all EU citizens without permanent residence permits losing their right to live and work in the UK, overnight.

[Josquius]

Yes of course I meant all that in case the UK crashes out with no deal. That would mean all EU citizens without permanent residence permits losing their right to live and work in the UK, overnight.

If that were to happen then I hope you'd be smart enough not to want to stay.
At least try and be out of the country when it happens...

[crazy canuck]

Yes of course I meant all that in case the UK crashes out with no deal. That would mean all EU citizens without permanent residence permits losing their right to live and work in the UK, overnight.

I have read that that there are a number of couples in that position - one being a resident and the other a resident of another EU country who never bothered to obtain their GB residency because it was not needed.

[Josquius]

Yes of course I meant all that in case the UK crashes out with no deal. That would mean all EU citizens without permanent residence permits losing their right to live and work in the UK, overnight.

I have read that that there are a number of couples in that position - one being a resident and the other a resident of another EU country who never bothered to obtain their GB residency because it was not needed.

Stuff like this too:
http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ipsiwch-s-inga-lockington-denied-citizenship-1-5529693

I wonder if brexit will have the effect of meaning people living in other EU countries more actively pursue citizenship of their new country?

[The Brain]

Is May's personal goal to ensure a hard Brexit? Does she have any discernible actual opinion on Brexit?

[Richard Hakluyt]

She is something of an enigma. I have been assuming there is more to her than meets the eye; but the recent shambles is pointing towards a more disturbing conclusion..........namely, that what we see is all there is.

[crazy canuck]

She is something of an enigma. I have been assuming there is more to her than meets the eye; but the recent shambles is pointing towards a more disturbing conclusion..........namely, that what we see is all there is.

[Tamas]

Once again soft-Brexit preferring Tory "rebels" fail to influence proceedings. It's remarkable how little influence they have compared to Rees-Mogg and his ilk.

[garbon]

How was that proposed amendment to work? How could they have force UK to have customs union with EU, if EU didn't allow it?

[mongers]

Hard Brexit it is then; I'm sure it'll all go swimmingly. 

[Tamas]

How was that proposed amendment to work? How could they have force UK to have customs union with EU, if EU didn't allow it?

I think the idea was that thus the UK would be forced to get an arrangement that'd mean customs union, i.e. soft brexit.



But otherwise yes. There is all this chaos, at the end they will have a mish-mash of a "white paper" and then the EU will just say "nein" and it will be all for nought.

I wonder if the prestige of the UK will ever recover from this.

[The Brain]

How was that proposed amendment to work? How could they have force UK to have customs union with EU, if EU didn't allow it?

I think the idea was that thus the UK would be forced to get an arrangement that'd mean customs union, i.e. soft brexit.



But otherwise yes. There is all this chaos, at the end they will have a mish-mash of a "white paper" and then the EU will just say "nein" and it will be all for nought.

I wonder if the prestige of the UK will ever recover from this.

Some decades of consistently competent governance should do the trick.

[Zanza]

The EU's position on Northern Ireland is unrealistic. They should state that short of Britain staying in the single market, the Good Friday Agreement cannot be upheld and needs to be reconsidered. Due to British decisions. Instead they demand de facto annexation, which is of course not acceptable for the UK. The rest of the EU's position regarding the integrity of the single market and participation limited by acceptance of ECJ jurisdiction is reasonable.

The UK's position is still cake and eat it. They want one of the four freedoms with none of the obligations. That's an absurd position that the EU can never accept.

Hard Brexit looks ever more likely.

[Zanza]

Japan and the European Union signed a wide-ranging free trade deal on Tuesday that both sides hope will act as a counterweight to the protectionist forces unleashed by U.S. President Donald Trump.

The ambitious trade pact, which creates the world's largest open economic area, comes amid fears that a trade war between the United States and China will diminish the role of free trade in the global economic order.

[...]

EU accords with Singapore and with Vietnam were at the ratification stage, while deals with Indonesia, Australia and New Zealand were being negotiated, he added.

Would be even more valuable with Britain, but maybe you can show us how to get a better deal.