Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Iormlund]

Grandfathering in UK citizens residing in the EU would be the right thing, but does have a little problem. Money.

Who, for instance, will pay for the healthcare of retirees living in the Spanish coast? Is the EU going to subsidize it?

[Tamas]

Grandfathering in UK citizens residing in the EU would be the right thing, but does have a little problem. Money.

Who, for instance, will pay for the healthcare of retirees living in the Spanish coast? Is the EU going to subsidize it?

I think they will NOT be happy by the minimum Spanish pension, which I think they are likely to receive.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Grandfathering in UK citizens residing in the EU would be the right thing, but does have a little problem. Money.

Who, for instance, will pay for the healthcare of retirees living in the Spanish coast? Is the EU going to subsidize it?

Clearly the UK should carry on making payments for their healthcare in roughly the same way as we do now.

However, one of the reasons I was so stunned by Verhofstadt's comments is that they were so atypical of the current zeitgeist. What  I actually expect is a crappy deal (for both the EU and the UK) masterminded by the petty and mean-spirited people so typical of our current times. It is a damn shame, especially when anyone with a modicum of intelligence is well aware that this not a zero-sum game 

[Crazy_Ivan80]

piece of advice regarding Verhofstadt (or Verafstoot as he's occasionally referred as): don't believe anything he says.

[Richard Hakluyt]

piece of advice regarding Verhofstadt (or Verafstoot as he's occasionally referred as): don't believe anything he says.

Yeah, I like the comments but don't expect it to happen.

[Josquius]

It is likely just manoeuvring to show that the Tories are the bad guys here, that the EU is willing to let us keep our rights but its the Brexiters who stop it from happening.
But even if thats the case then its better than nothing, boosts the chances enough people will support mending things in the future.

They're going to sign the suicide act this week...wonder how the pound will react. Up for a while due to an end of uncertainty?

[The Larch]

Grandfathering in UK citizens residing in the EU would be the right thing, but does have a little problem. Money.

Who, for instance, will pay for the healthcare of retirees living in the Spanish coast? Is the EU going to subsidize it?

I think they will NOT be happy by the minimum Spanish pension, which I think they are likely to receive.

Why would they stop collecting their UK pensions? That has nothing to do with any Brexit deal.

And obviously there should be an arrangement in which healthcare would continue to be provided as it currently is.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Even aside from it being awesome for me personally this EU citizenship for Brits who want it, detached from national citizenship, is a very interesting prospect. A big step forward in making de jure the world's move away from nation states.

I wonder to what extent the British / Irish situation could be something to learn from- Brits and Irish in each other's countries even pre EU being legally treat mostly the same as citizens of those countries. A legacy of the divorce.

A move away from "nation states" is the greatest evil and tyranny the world could ever know, and should be opposed by all lovers of freedom everywhere--and by violence if necessary.

[Duque de Bragança]

New Scottish independence announced by Scotland's PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181

[Richard Hakluyt]

Aye, a Scottish generation is 3 years long it seems.

[The Larch]

Aye, a Scottish generation is 3 years long it seems.

It could be argued that circunstances have changed significantly...

[CountDeMoney]

A move away from "nation states" is the greatest evil and tyranny the world could ever know, and should be opposed by all lovers of freedom everywhere--and by violence if necessary.

Lucky for us we're heading down the ethno-nationalist road these days, so violence is going to be addressed.

[Richard Hakluyt]

So all they need to do is to get 50%+1 of the votes once in a regular four-yearly event and that is the end of the UK. Doesn't seem a sensible way of running a country to me.

[The Larch]

So all they need to do is to get 50%+1 of the votes once in a regular four-yearly event and that is the end of the UK. Doesn't seem a sensible way of running a country to me.

It's not as if the Brexit vote was much more stringent...

[Richard Hakluyt]

At least with Brexit they waited 41 years between votes.