Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Josquius]

A petition against ID has attracted 1.5 million signatures.
This smells very off to me that so many would sign so fast against something so reasonably minor.
Or is this taking on some of the brexit votes "referendum against Cameron" aspects but for starmer?

There are a lot of big money and foreign interests keen to keep the UK a mess....

I figured out how the ID card rollout could have been done better and in a way that gains mass public support though - start with everyone under 30 needs it.

[garbon]

A petition against ID has attracted 1.5 million signatures.
This smells very off to me that so many would sign so fast against something so reasonably minor.
Or is this taking on some of the brexit votes "referendum against Cameron" aspects but for starmer?

There are a lot of big money and foreign interests keen to keep the UK a mess....

I figured out how the ID card rollout could have been done better and in a way that gains mass public support though - start with everyone under 30 needs it.

I haven't signed the petition but I'm against it. Unnecessary expenditure masquerading as sound policy.

[Josquius]

From what I've read I have issues with the proposed implementation but a key one, it being digital only, I imagine is completely the opposite of most of the opposition.

But simplifying the mess of different government ID systems into one and actually tackling illegal immigration in a sensible way rather than just threats about Rwanda or making borders tougher... A good thing in theory.

[HVC]

It's probably been explained to me and I've forgotten ( ) but why do brits react to ID cards like va pire do to crosses?

[garbon]

From what I've read I have issues with the proposed implementation but a key one, it being digital only, I imagine is completely the opposite of most of the opposition.

But simplifying the mess of different government ID systems into one and actually tackling illegal immigration in a sensible way rather than just threats about Rwanda or making borders tougher... A good thing in theory.

But would it actually tackle illegal immigration? Are companies that have been employing illegal labour (and paying employees under the table) going to suddenly change tune with a digital ID in existence? Are refugees going to stop taking illegal routes to get into the country because there is a digital ID?

I would suggest the answers to all of those are likely no (bar maybe the small instance highlighted by the government where people have used someone else's national insurance id which doesn't have a photo to verify).

So instead we just have yet another lie being told, another waste of government funds, not something that anyone in the country appears to be clamoring for (as won't improve anyone's quality of life) and with an extra layer of surveillance to boot (if you are pooling all of that personal information into a database).

[garbon]

It's probably been explained to me and I've forgotten ( ) but why do brits react to ID cards like va pire do to crosses?

Neither the US or Canada has national ID cards. I just looked up the rest of the 'key' anglosphere nations: Australia has no national ID, only South Africa has a compulsory ID...

[HVC]

It's probably been explained to me and I've forgotten ( ) but why do brits react to ID cards like va pire do to crosses?

Neither the US or Canada has national ID cards. I just looked up the rest of the 'key' anglosphere nations: Australia has no national ID, only South Africa has a compulsory ID...

So it's an Anglo thing? I knew Canada didn't (well not a mandatory one, anyway)* but it's pretty ubiquitous in Europe, is it not? I personally wouldn't care either way.


*we do kind of have a mandatory photo ID card in the form of a health card, but it doesn't count as valid ID outside of health services.

[Tamas]

It's probably been explained to me and I've forgotten ( ) but why do brits react to ID cards like va pire do to crosses?

Neither the US or Canada has national ID cards. I just looked up the rest of the 'key' anglosphere nations: Australia has no national ID, only South Africa has a compulsory ID...

So it's an Anglo thing? I knew Canada didn't (well not a mandatory one, anyway)* but it's pretty ubiquitous in Europe, is it not? I personally wouldn't care either way.


*we do kind of have a mandatory photo ID card in the form of a health card, but it doesn't count as valid ID outside of health services.

I mean, there's a certain panache to living in such a high-tech country as this and then having to produce paper copies of utility bills or bank statements (in an increasingly paperless world) to prove that you indeed live on the address you claim you do (which of course only proves that another organisation believed you previously).

Or that to get a passport you need to find people who have known you for X number of years but are unrelated to you to vouch that you indeed exist and who you say you are.

All of this medieval nonsense could be replaced by mandatory ID cards, but there is a massive fear of the state being able to learn your name, date of birth and address (information the state already has).

[The Brain]

It's a bizarre way to operate a country.

Sweden has a national ID card, but it's not mandatory and many people don't have one.

[PJL]

YouGov have done a survey about digital ID. Results below
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Given the results, I would be very surprised if digital ID was implemented, especially given the strength of feeling to those opposed to it. No major variations other than Reform supporters massively against it compared to other party supporters.

[Sheilbh]

George Galloway reportedly detained at Gatwick under the Terrorism Act.

Loathsome man - but not a terrorist (unless something very unexpected emerges). I expect it is, again, a speech crime of some sort.

[garbon]

Or that to get a passport you need to find people who have known you for X number of years but are unrelated to you to vouch that you indeed exist and who you say you are.

This is because the UK is obssesed with bizarre nonsense. Like when I need to ask my citizenship reference to then also confirm my passport photo...when the home office has on file my photo from 4 months ago, that's because of bizarre bureaucracy, not a lack of a national ID.

And when the reference list looks like this as acceptable jobs, you also know your system is whack.

accountant
airline pilot
articled clerk of a limited company
assurance agent of a recognised company
bank or building society official
barrister
chairman or director of a limited company
chiropodist
commissioner for oaths
councillor - local or county
civil servant - permanent
dentist
director, manager or personnel officer of a VAT-registered company
engineer with professional qualifications
financial services intermediary, for example a stockbroker or insurance broker
fire service official
funeral director
insurance agent of a recognised company - full time
journalist
Justice of the Peace
legal secretary - fellow or associate member of the Institute of Legal Secretaries and PAs
licensee of a public house
local government officer
manager or personnel officer of a limited company
member, associate or fellow of a professional body
Member of Parliament
Merchant Navy Officer
minister of a recognised religion including Christian Science
nurse - registered
officer of the armed services
optician
paralegal - certified, qualified or associate member of the Institute of Paralegals
person with honours - OBE or MBE
pharmacist
photographer - professional
police officer
Post Office official
president or secretary of a recognised organisation
Salvation Army Officer
social worker
solicitor
surveyor
teacher or lecturer
trade union officer
travel agent - qualified
valuer or auctioneer - fellow or associate member of the incorporated society
Warrant Officer or Chief Petty Officer

[garbon]

A petition against ID has attracted 1.5 million signatures.

Now up to 2.2mil

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194

That includes 1,066 from the USA.

[crazy canuck]

It's probably been explained to me and I've forgotten ( ) but why do brits react to ID cards like va pire do to crosses?

Neither the US or Canada has national ID cards. I just looked up the rest of the 'key' anglosphere nations: Australia has no national ID, only South Africa has a compulsory ID...

National ID cards don't make sense in a federation.  That's why we don't have them.  Makes a lot of more sense in a Unitary state like the UK.

[Josquius]

A petition against ID has attracted 1.5 million signatures.

Now up to 2.2mil

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194

That includes 1,066 from the USA.

The map is strangely familiar.

https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=730194