Hillary vs Bernie

[Razgovory]

Of course, I won't vote under any circumstances.  But hypothetically speaking, I'm in the anybody but Sanders crowd.

So you are voting for anyone who will not give you a raise?

Don't know how it works in the US.  But in Hong Kong, civil service pay is largely determined by a gigantic, annual survey.  We ask the private companies how their wages/salaries changed in the past year.  There is a really complex programme that computes the results.  Of course, if the HK government faces deficits, they can simply ignore the results and say, civil service pay should be cut by xx% (happened a few years ago).  Generally though, the government respect the survey.  Who is in charge has little impact on civil service pay.

Here, is does.  I remember working at the Department of Revenue and having people bitching about taxes.  I pointed out that we are paid by taxes.  I was met with stunned looks of disbelief.  I asked them what the hell do you think we do all day?  Apparently nobody there had made the connection that the tax forms we process went to pay our wages.  I suppose that's why state workers in Missouri are the lowest paid in the country, fulling 37% below the national average.  We keep voting for fiscal conservatives, and they keep wages down.  I suppose it's good that you live in a dictatorship, if you lived in a world were cause and effect were connected you might end up starving.

[Admiral Yi]

FYI Raz, Bernie's web site says nothing about raising income taxes and increasing federal employee pay.

[Eddie Teach]

Do we really only have one person leaning toward the Republicans this election cycle, or were the Trump and strategic voting options just not acceptable to most of them? 

[Razgovory]

FYI Raz, Bernie's web site says nothing about raising income taxes and increasing federal employee pay.

Okay.

[grumbler]

maybe it's more that sanders bases his entire campaign around impossible-to-achieve goals. I don't remember obama doing that -- just vague hope, change, etc.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/2774/here-are-bernie-sanders-top-10-wackiest-ideas-aaron-bandler

what are main ideas he has that would be possible/realistic to implement? honestly curious

So your evidence against Saunders consists of a single article from "the Daily Wire" in which some hack clickbaits you with the title "Here Are Bernie Sanders' Top 10 Wackiest Ideas?"  I'm starting to understand why your posts here are so incoherent.

Universal single-payer health care is certainly possible, especially if implemented on the German model.  Every other industrialized country has done it.

The tax increase stuff is just laughable.   The Washington Examiner as an authority?  Give me a break.

Breaking up the banks that are "too big to fail?"  That wouldn't be very hard; it would just be returning to the status quo.  Contracts are always being renegotiated. 

I could go on, but it would insult the intelligence of languish users.  Instead, I'd recommend that you read more widely and post less.

[Ed Anger]

I'd like them to be in a porno together.

[Eddie Teach]

I'd like them to be in a porno together.

You nasty gerontophile. 

[frunk]

I'd like them to be in a porno together.

I'd rather go to a real lemon party, where the lemon juice was squeezed into my eyes.

[LaCroix]

maybe it's more that sanders bases his entire campaign around impossible-to-achieve goals. I don't remember obama doing that -- just vague hope, change, etc.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/2774/here-are-bernie-sanders-top-10-wackiest-ideas-aaron-bandler

what are main ideas he has that would be possible/realistic to implement? honestly curious

So your evidence against Saunders consists of a single article from "the Daily Wire" in which some hack clickbaits you with the title "Here Are Bernie Sanders' Top 10 Wackiest Ideas?"  I'm starting to understand why your posts here are so incoherent.

Universal single-payer health care is certainly possible, especially if implemented on the German model.  Every other industrialized country has done it.

The tax increase stuff is just laughable.   The Washington Examiner as an authority?  Give me a break.

Breaking up the banks that are "too big to fail?"  That wouldn't be very hard; it would just be returning to the status quo.  Contracts are always being renegotiated. 

I could go on, but it would insult the intelligence of languish users.  Instead, I'd recommend that you read more widely and post less.

I'm not posting "evidence against sanders." I get that you're sad you lost the last argument, so you're looking to pick a fight. but this time, I was posting my opinion, not some long articulate argument trying to convince the "languish posters" why they shouldn't vote for sanders. I really don't give a fuck whether languish posters vote for sanders.

also, I asked if there was anything sanders was trying to push that could legit happen. you haven't given me a single thing.

[crazy canuck]

To play devil's advocate, what is possible without the support of the other branches of government?  For years people said that meaningful health care reform is impossible in the US.  But Obama took some steps in that direction.  Eventually our neighbours to the South will realize that a single payor system is the way to go.  But it takes someone like Bernie to forcefully make the argument first. He may not be successful, even if he is elected as president.  But it is a step down road.

[grumbler]

I'm not posting "evidence against sanders." I get that you're sad you lost the last argument, so you're looking to pick a fight. but this time, I was posting my opinion, not some long articulate argument trying to convince the "languish posters" why they shouldn't vote for sanders. I really don't give a fuck whether languish posters vote for sanders.

Most Languish posters couldn't vote for Saunders if they wanted to.  I don't think making this about who languish votes for is the logical approach.  I get how you don't think that that "daily wire" piece is a hatchet piece against Saunders, but I don't think anyone else is foolish enough to believe that it is actual evidence of anything.  I also get that you want to bluster past the fact that you got your fanny reddened the last time you tried to argue against the evidence, but, really, why even bring up that issue?

also, I asked if there was anything sanders was trying to push that could legit happen. you haven't given me a single thing.

I gave you three things. You have given nothing except a cite you now seem to want to run away from.

If you want to have an adult debate, you have to introduce actual arguments, not just say that you don't understand things, and then attack those who explain the things you don't understand.

[grumbler]

To play devil's advocate, what is possible without the support of the other branches of government?  For years people said that meaningful health care reform is impossible in the US.  But Obama took some steps in that direction.  Eventually our neighbours to the South will realize that a single payor system is the way to go.  But it takes someone like Bernie to forcefully make the argument first. He may not be successful, even if he is elected as president.  But it is a step down road.

Indeed.  Single payer is not only not impossible, it is inevitable.  A President Saunders may not get there, but he could make it possible for later presidents to get there.

[lustindarkness]

Cthulhu, would that be Trump write in option?

[Zanza]

Universal single-payer health care is certainly possible, especially if implemented on the German model.  Every other industrialized country has done it.

I don't think describing Germany's system as "single payer" is correct. We have about 200 different health insurance companies that can be clustered into "public-mandatory" and "private-voluntary". It's a very strange construct that consists of legal cartels, heavy state intervention and quota, budget and pricing rules that follow arcane reasonings that don't necessarily guarantee the best healthcare. You wouldn't build a system from scratch that way and I don't think it makes sense to use it as a blueprint for any other country as it has grown historically over the last 125 years or so. 

[Valmy]

Huh. You didn't reform and overhaul the system when rebuilding it after WWII?