News:

And we're back!

Main Menu

Hillary vs Bernie

Started by Eddie Teach, January 31, 2016, 05:47:52 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

Say you're at the Iowa Democratic caucus- who do you vote for?

Sanders
31 (46.3%)
Clinton
25 (37.3%)
Littlefinger
5 (7.5%)
Sanders, but only to make it easier for GOP to win
2 (3%)
Clinton, but only to make it easier for GOP to win
0 (0%)
Write in for Biden :(
1 (1.5%)
Write in for Trump :wacko:
3 (4.5%)

Total Members Voted: 66

grumbler

Quote from: 11B4V on January 31, 2016, 12:24:37 PM
Bah they're both too old 68 and 74, They should have a mandatory retirement age for  gov office.

Neither inspire.

We don't really have any inspirational candidates this time around.  I wish the Republicans would get their heads out of their asses and realize that, if you can't fins someone inspirational, you should at least look for someone competent.  That would leave Kasich pretty much the only Republican candidate, and I think he'd beat either Hillary or Saunders in a general election, just because he lacks their negatives.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

LaCroix

Quote from: grumbler on January 31, 2016, 12:41:13 PMThat same vote got Dubya and Obama elected, why not Saunders?  No one who understands how the US works would vote for either of those guys, either.  There's clearly a lot more people who don't understand how the US works than just college students and Europeans.

don't remember bush's campaign. obama was a bunch of hope, change, etc., nonsense. but was there much he said that was impossible? the closest I recall was his promise to shut down guantanamo, but that was more unfeasible rather than impossible. his campaign was full of wishy washy stuff -- that's different than what I'm saying about sanders.

Zanza

Clinton seems to be more compentent when it comes to foreign policy and as that's the policy area that matters most to me, I would vote for her over Sanders. The US president doesn't seem to have that much power domestically.

11B4V

#18
Quote from: grumbler on January 31, 2016, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 31, 2016, 12:24:37 PM
Bah they're both too old 68 and 74, They should have a mandatory retirement age for  gov office.

Neither inspire.

We don't really have any inspirational candidates this time around.  I wish the Republicans would get their heads out of their asses and realize that, if you can't fins someone inspirational, you should at least look for someone competent.  That would leave Kasich pretty much the only Republican candidate, and I think he'd beat either Hillary or Saunders in a general election, just because he lacks their negatives.

Kasich has been my pick, but he won't survive the primaries. If I had to choose between Sanders and Clinton, it would be Clinton.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

grumbler

Quote from: LaCroix on January 31, 2016, 12:48:37 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 31, 2016, 12:41:13 PMThat same vote got Dubya and Obama elected, why not Saunders?  No one who understands how the US works would vote for either of those guys, either.  There's clearly a lot more people who don't understand how the US works than just college students and Europeans.

don't remember bush's campaign. obama was a bunch of hope, change, etc., nonsense. but was there much he said that was impossible? the closest I recall was his promise to shut down guantanamo, but that was more unfeasible rather than impossible. his campaign was full of wishy washy stuff -- that's different than what I'm saying about sanders.

He made a lot of impossible promises, like a path to citizenship for illegal immigrant, creation of a Palestinian state, drastic reduction of oil consumption/CO2 emissions, etc, etc.

I have no idea what you are saying about Saunders.  You just provide vague assertions that he is dumber than you thought and that most or all of his ideas are impossible to implement because of strawman.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

grumbler

Quote from: 11B4V on January 31, 2016, 01:13:43 PM
Mastic has been my pick, but he won't survive the primaries. If I had to choose between Sanders and Clinton, it would be Clinton.

Mastic?
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Valmy

Hilary is the only viable candidate out of the front runners.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

alfred russel

I really don't get why OMalley isn't doing better--he would have been my pick. That said I haven't been paying so much attention to anything aside from the trump circus, so maybe there is a reason he is going no where.

Of the two, I'd say Hillary.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

viper37

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 31, 2016, 05:47:52 AM
The fate of the country is in your hands.
Clinton.  Not because she's the brightest tool of the box, but because she's the only one who stands a chance against Trump's GOP.
That man is bad for business.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Liep

How much do you guys actually care? I can't really get excited about this election since there's no Stewart or Zaltzman/Oliver to entertain me.
"Af alle latterlige Ting forekommer det mig at være det allerlatterligste at have travlt" - Kierkegaard

"JamenajmenømahrmDÆ!DÆ! Æhvnårvaæhvadlelæh! Hvor er det crazy, det her, mand!" - Uffe Elbæk

Razgovory

Quote from: Tamas on January 31, 2016, 06:40:12 AM
Sanders does seem genuine and I don't think you could do worse than a genuine socialist. Apart from Trump.

:rolleyes:
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

11B4V

Quote from: grumbler on January 31, 2016, 01:49:41 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 31, 2016, 01:13:43 PM
Mastic has been my pick, but he won't survive the primaries. If I had to choose between Sanders and Clinton, it would be Clinton.

Mastic?

Kasich

Auto correct.

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Razgovory on January 31, 2016, 03:52:13 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 31, 2016, 06:40:12 AM
Sanders does seem genuine and I don't think you could do worse than a genuine socialist. Apart from Trump.

:rolleyes:

Haven't you been saying the same thing? I seem to recall you calling Sanders "a damn Red".
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

grumbler

Quote from: 11B4V on January 31, 2016, 03:56:07 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 31, 2016, 01:49:41 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 31, 2016, 01:13:43 PM
Mastic has been my pick, but he won't survive the primaries. If I had to choose between Sanders and Clinton, it would be Clinton.

Mastic?

Kasich

Auto correct.

That's what I thought, but wanted to confirm.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Razgovory

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 31, 2016, 03:57:57 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 31, 2016, 03:52:13 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 31, 2016, 06:40:12 AM
Sanders does seem genuine and I don't think you could do worse than a genuine socialist. Apart from Trump.

:rolleyes:

Haven't you been saying the same thing? I seem to recall you calling Sanders "a damn Red".

That's not what I'm rolling my eyes at.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017