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Started by Eddie Teach, January 31, 2016, 05:47:52 AM

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Say you're at the Iowa Democratic caucus- who do you vote for?

Sanders
31 (46.3%)
Clinton
25 (37.3%)
Littlefinger
5 (7.5%)
Sanders, but only to make it easier for GOP to win
2 (3%)
Clinton, but only to make it easier for GOP to win
0 (0%)
Write in for Biden :(
1 (1.5%)
Write in for Trump :wacko:
3 (4.5%)

Total Members Voted: 66

dps

Quote from: alfred russel on January 31, 2016, 03:27:52 PM
I really don't get why OMalley isn't doing better--he would have been my pick. That said I haven't been paying so much attention to anything aside from the trump circus, so maybe there is a reason he is going no where.

Of the two, I'd say Hillary.

I'm a bit puzzled that O'Malley hasn't been doing better, if only because of the obvious negatives that Clinton and Sanders have.

Eddie Teach

Quote from: dps on January 31, 2016, 06:07:19 PM
I'm a bit puzzled that O'Malley hasn't been doing better, if only because of the obvious negatives that Clinton and Sanders have.

He has his own negatives, as he is considered the chief inspiration for the character Tommy Carcetti on The Wire, who sells out all his campaign promises for political advancement.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Grinning_Colossus

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 31, 2016, 06:38:31 PM
Quote from: dps on January 31, 2016, 06:07:19 PM
I'm a bit puzzled that O'Malley hasn't been doing better, if only because of the obvious negatives that Clinton and Sanders have.

He has his own negatives, as he is considered the chief inspiration for the character Tommy Carcetti on The Wire, who sells out all his campaign promises for political advancement.

Played by the same guy who plays Littlefinger. :D

And no one has answered my question about CdM.
Quis futuit ipsos fututores?

Eddie Teach

Well, I don't think he's said anything about who he's supporting. It's not as important as bashing my eating habits, which he does with every post.  :P
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Admiral Yi

O'Malley is, as far as I can tell, a vanilla establishment Democrat.  Hillary has every establishment voting bloc already locked up.  She's a professional woman who married a black man.  Only way O'Malley could pick up any votes is if he announced he was transgender.

Democratic primary voters don't care about emailgate.

LaCroix

Quote from: grumbler on January 31, 2016, 01:49:12 PMHe made a lot of impossible promises, like a path to citizenship for illegal immigrant, creation of a Palestinian state, drastic reduction of oil consumption/CO2 emissions, etc, etc.

I have no idea what you are saying about Saunders.  You just provide vague assertions that he is dumber than you thought and that most or all of his ideas are impossible to implement because of strawman.

maybe it's more that sanders bases his entire campaign around impossible-to-achieve goals. I don't remember obama doing that -- just vague hope, change, etc.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/2774/here-are-bernie-sanders-top-10-wackiest-ideas-aaron-bandler

what are main ideas he has that would be possible/realistic to implement? honestly curious

Eddie Teach

Quote from: LaCroix on February 01, 2016, 12:38:36 AM
what are main ideas he has that would be possible/realistic to implement? honestly curious

Higher taxes on the rich.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Monoriu

Of course, I won't vote under any circumstances.  But hypothetically speaking, I'm in the anybody but Sanders crowd.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: LaCroix on February 01, 2016, 12:38:36 AM
what are main ideas he has that would be possible/realistic to implement? honestly curious

What do mean?  Sanders proposals that could pass in the current House and Senate?  None.

Jaron

America is ready to #feelthebern
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 01, 2016, 01:08:18 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on February 01, 2016, 12:38:36 AM
what are main ideas he has that would be possible/realistic to implement? honestly curious

What do mean?  Sanders proposals that could pass in the current House and Senate?  None.

So the same success rate as Obama?
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Razgovory

Quote from: Monoriu on February 01, 2016, 01:06:43 AM
Of course, I won't vote under any circumstances.  But hypothetically speaking, I'm in the anybody but Sanders crowd.

So you are voting for anyone who will not give you a raise?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

Mono is the Chinese Ron Swanson.  :D
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Monoriu

Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2016, 01:37:59 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 01, 2016, 01:06:43 AM
Of course, I won't vote under any circumstances.  But hypothetically speaking, I'm in the anybody but Sanders crowd.

So you are voting for anyone who will not give you a raise?

Don't know how it works in the US.  But in Hong Kong, civil service pay is largely determined by a gigantic, annual survey.  We ask the private companies how their wages/salaries changed in the past year.  There is a really complex programme that computes the results.  Of course, if the HK government faces deficits, they can simply ignore the results and say, civil service pay should be cut by xx% (happened a few years ago).  Generally though, the government respect the survey.  Who is in charge has little impact on civil service pay. 

Norgy

Quote from: Monoriu on February 01, 2016, 01:45:51 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2016, 01:37:59 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 01, 2016, 01:06:43 AM
Of course, I won't vote under any circumstances.  But hypothetically speaking, I'm in the anybody but Sanders crowd.

So you are voting for anyone who will not give you a raise?

Don't know how it works in the US.  But in Hong Kong, civil service pay is largely determined by a gigantic, annual survey.  We ask the private companies how their wages/salaries changed in the past year.  There is a really complex programme that computes the results.  Of course, if the HK government faces deficits, they can simply ignore the results and say, civil service pay should be cut by xx% (happened a few years ago).  Generally though, the government respect the survey.  Who is in charge has little impact on civil service pay.

Freedom, the Hong Kong way.  :cry: