Mass shooting in San Bernadino

[Razgovory]

Oh, I forgot about the pipe bombs.  I'd put that in the Islamic terrorism corner.  Maybe he and his gal were planning something but got so pissed about the party that he aborted the larger plan and just went to kill his coworkers.  It's just the action doesn't seem like Islamic terrorism, since they almost always intend to die at the site, not escape.  Maybe he just didn't get the memo.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

If you look at this forum, people who don't like Muslims like Grallon or CrazyIvan all come from big cities and frequently have to meet/deal with immigrants.

tsk tsk. I don't like islam, the religion/ideology. I have no quarrel with individuals unless they decide to engage in a quarrel.
Just saying

[Tonitrus]

Let's say terrorism, fine, but is it Islamic terrorism?

It just doesn't feel that way. Even if this dude got brain washed and wanted to do him some Islam, why would he choose that location of all places?

If they wanted to make a suicidal splash, Los Angeles isn't too far away. Could have lit up down town or something.

The problem is, as the CdM says, Muslims can crack too and do some violence and it can be random and terrible and awful and have nothing to do with Islam.

The fact that ISIS tweeted something about being proud of the 3 shooters when there was actually two points to me that at least the relationship wasn't two sided. Maybe they did idolize ISIS and their work but it doesn't seem like they were part of the organization.

My completely amateur, arm-chair quarterbacking, baseless theory is that this was probably a dude who started getting caught up in Islamic fundamentalism (along with his babe), started stockpiling the assault gear with the idea that he might do something at some point...then got into a argument with coworkers at that party about Syria/Islam/radicalism/whatever and decided to go home and get his guns and his woman and do his micro-aggression-terrorism on his office party.

[Jaron]

Also, please correct the thread title.

Its San Bernardino, not Bernadino.

[Admiral Yi]

My completely amateur, arm-chair quarterbacking, baseless theory is that this was probably a dude who started getting caught up in Islamic fundamentalism (along with his babe), started stockpiling the assault gear with the idea that he might do something at some point...then got into a argument with coworkers at that party about Syria/Islam/radicalism/whatever and decided to go home and get his guns and his woman and do his micro-aggression-terrorism on his office party.

I like this.

Wonder how the Christmas party angle is going to play.

[jimmy olsen]

Fox says they wore gopro cameras!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/03/2-suspects-killed-shootout-san-bernardino-massacre-14-killed/

[Admiral Yi]

Also, please correct the thread title.

Its San Bernardino, not Bernadino.

Bernadino sounds much better.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

The problem in this country is that we have too few people who are exposed to immigrants from Muslim regions...

and then there's Molenbeek...

[Richard Hakluyt]

My completely amateur, arm-chair quarterbacking, baseless theory is that this was probably a dude who started getting caught up in Islamic fundamentalism (along with his babe), started stockpiling the assault gear with the idea that he might do something at some point...then got into a argument with coworkers at that party about Syria/Islam/radicalism/whatever and decided to go home and get his guns and his woman and do his micro-aggression-terrorism on his office party.

I like this.

Wonder how the Christmas party angle is going to play.

Yes, I was speculating along these lines too.

I mean to say, even in 'murica one doesn't normally have body-armour, AK-47s and a supply of bombs to hand when one falls out with colleagues 

[jimmy olsen]

Also, please correct the thread title.

Its San Bernardino, not Bernadino.

Bernadino sounds much better.

Agreed

[Jaron]

Let's say terrorism, fine, but is it Islamic terrorism?

It just doesn't feel that way. Even if this dude got brain washed and wanted to do him some Islam, why would he choose that location of all places?

If they wanted to make a suicidal splash, Los Angeles isn't too far away. Could have lit up down town or something.

The problem is, as the CdM says, Muslims can crack too and do some violence and it can be random and terrible and awful and have nothing to do with Islam.

The fact that ISIS tweeted something about being proud of the 3 shooters when there was actually two points to me that at least the relationship wasn't two sided. Maybe they did idolize ISIS and their work but it doesn't seem like they were part of the organization.

My completely amateur, arm-chair quarterbacking, baseless theory is that this was probably a dude who started getting caught up in Islamic fundamentalism (along with his babe), started stockpiling the assault gear with the idea that he might do something at some point...then got into a argument with coworkers at that party about Syria/Islam/radicalism/whatever and decided to go home and get his guns and his woman and do his micro-aggression-terrorism on his office party.

Why do you suppose they limited the attack to the co workers only ? They had a building full of people they could mow down. Police get there too quick?

They didn't try to shoot anyone on the street. It seems very much a targeted response. It seems like they had opportunities to harm others but they didn't.

I may be proven wrong in the next few days, but this just doesn't feel like an Islamic attack.

[jimmy olsen]

There was a SWAT team training nearby IIRC.

[Jaron]

I need more than an 'IIRC' from Tim on this one.

[Admiral Yi]

He only spent one month in Saudi and only grew his beard for one month.  So his Muslim super powers hadn't fully developed.

[Duque de Bragança]

Thankfully! One could only imagine what would have happened, had he done so.