sub-Roman Britain, the Romano-British, and the Welsh

[viper37]

Folk/pagan metal

Viking/pagan metal

Finnish folk metal

Black Metal

There's a distinct flavour in each

Which one tastes like gold?

Swiss folk metal.  They have gold everywhere in Switzerland.  In alcohol, in music...

[Syt]

I started listening to Tengger Cavalry a few weeks ago - they're pretty good if you don't mind Chinese instruments or Mongolian throat singing. Though Chthonic remains my favorite Chinese metal band (they're from Taiwan, not PRC, though).

[Queequeg]

Yeah, Athens was not unlike modern Saudi Arabia.  Women wore veils, were not allowed out without a guardians, lived in separate compartments of the houses from the men.  It is strange how often we forget.

Well being on an equal level with a civilization 2500 years later is not so bad. But the comparison to show how sexist the Romans were was being made against the Celts.

"I was a pagan German, and all I got was a rope around the neck".

Ancient cultures have things that go against modern cultural sensibilities? You don't say Raz.

Not all ancient cultures sacrificed human beings.  I think "strangling people and tossing them in the bog" goes a bit beyond "violating our culture sensibilities".  There is also some evidence that the Muslims got their attitudes about women from the ancient Greeks, the wellspring of Western culture. Funny that.  It does make one think though, who are the true inheritor of the culture that outlawed meteorology and invented the blood libel.  The West or the Middle East?

You're massively overstating your case.

1) You've disagreed w me in the past for talking of a united "Greek" culture and therefore probably know as well as I do that in the Classical Period, different Greek cities, let aloen different Greek sub-ethnicities, would have had radically different roles for women.
2) I'd like you to point to the Saudi Lysistrata. 
3) Byzantium allowed women to assume certain formal offices of power that would have been impossible in the Arab World.
4) Byzantium and later Rome did not have patriarichal segmentary linages, like a lot of the Arab World.  No tribes.  Descent could be traced through women, and was, totally unlike the Muslim world, with the exception of the daughters of Muhammad.

[The Minsky Moment]

There is also some evidence that the Muslims got their attitudes about women from the ancient Greeks, the wellspring of Western culture.

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IIRC there was more influence from Sassanid Persia in that regard.

[Queequeg]

Yeah.

I think the Greeks would have viewed a lot of Muslim views on a woman's honor, or family honor regarding the control of women, as completely barbarian. 

[Razgovory]

You're massively overstating your case.

1) You've disagreed w me in the past for talking of a united "Greek" culture and therefore probably know as well as I do that in the Classical Period, different Greek cities, let aloen different Greek sub-ethnicities, would have had radically different roles for women.
2) I'd like you to point to the Saudi Lysistrata. 
3) Byzantium allowed women to assume certain formal offices of power that would have been impossible in the Arab World.
4) Byzantium and later Rome did not have patriarichal segmentary linages, like a lot of the Arab World.  No tribes.  Descent could be traced through women, and was, totally unlike the Muslim world, with the exception of the daughters of Muhammad.

I would say that Byzantium was quite different then classical Greece.  I would also suggest that some parts of the Arab world women had many more rights then Byzantine Greece.  Like women elected to office in Egypt.

[Queequeg]

When was that?  Like, 1956?

[Razgovory]

When was that?  Like, 1956?

Today.

[Valmy]

Until Egypt allows a woman to be Equal to the Apostles and Christ's Vice-Regent on Earth they still have a ways to go to catch up to the Byzantine Greeks.

[The Brain]

You're massively overstating your case.

1) You've disagreed w me in the past for talking of a united "Greek" culture and therefore probably know as well as I do that in the Classical Period, different Greek cities, let aloen different Greek sub-ethnicities, would have had radically different roles for women.
2) I'd like you to point to the Saudi Lysistrata. 
3) Byzantium allowed women to assume certain formal offices of power that would have been impossible in the Arab World.
4) Byzantium and later Rome did not have patriarichal segmentary linages, like a lot of the Arab World.  No tribes.  Descent could be traced through women, and was, totally unlike the Muslim world, with the exception of the daughters of Muhammad.

I would say that Byzantium was quite different then classical Greece.  I would also suggest that some parts of the Arab world women had many more rights then Byzantine Greece.  Like women elected to office in Egypt.

Actually it was classical Greece then Byzantium.

[Razgovory]

I'm surprised you reproduced my grammatical error.

[The Brain]

I'm surprised you reproduced my grammatical error.

[Razgovory]

Then should be Than.

[The Brain]

Then should be Than.

Sigh. You're not the sharpest one, are you?

[Razgovory]

No, but I did expect better from my intellectual superiors.