sub-Roman Britain, the Romano-British, and the Welsh

[Queequeg]

That and dumbshit feminists and hippies.

[Valmy]

Because native Indo-European religions were rather nasty.  Human sacrifice, infanticide, etc.  It's no coincidence that first revival of pagan beliefs were by rather nasty nationalist groups who wanted something more muscular and bloody then womanly Christianity.  Good riddance.

Um I was not talking about bringing it back just knowing about it.

[Razgovory]

That and dumbshit feminists and hippies.

They are at least tolerable, but they really came later.  Wicca has more in common with Scientology (which is sort of a cousin religion), then it does with Indo-European paganism.

[Valmy]

That and dumbshit feminists and hippies.

Hey! Kabbalah predates Judaism. True story.

[Barrister]

As for Indo-European paganism, it's still alive and well, in India.

Well yes I was not saying all paganisms everywhere are dead. Just that I was hopeful that a bit more was known about Lithuanian practices since they were practicing so late but sadly little remains but very basics.

I'm not sad about it at all.  

Why not? The tragedy can hardly be vocalized without tears rolling down my cheeks.

Because native Indo-European religions were rather nasty.  Human sacrifice, infanticide, etc.  It's no coincidence that first revival of pagan beliefs were by rather nasty nationalist groups who wanted something more muscular and bloody then womanly Christianity.  Good riddance.

And yet again, Godwin's law is confirmed.

[Josquius]

I don't know the details but the English claimed the same damn thing about being descended from pure Germanic stock that 100% ethnically cleansed the Britons out of England, and thus unconquered and mighty (except by the Normans and Vikings who were also 100% Germanically pure) and well LOL.

Wasn't there some recent DNA testing conducted that suggested that this most definitely was NOT the case, and that modern English ancestry has a higher percentage of pre-Germanic ancestry than Germanic, with only a few regional variations where that wasn't true?  I thought I read that in a BBC article.

edit:  Maybe it was this: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry

Interesting, that's a very recent article.

A while ago was a study by a guy called Oppenheimer which pretty much said that the Brits had been the same people since time immemorial with minimal genetic influence from invaders. This study always gets brought up by the far right when the conversation goes this way...
However...this was just one study. There were also other studies which said exactly the opposite. That modern Brits had very little ancestral DNA and the anglo-saxons had pretty much committed a genocide. And then everything in between. It seems to be one of those things on which there is nothing solid.

I would fall somewhere in the middle. Not least because of the differences between southerners and northerners - if the vikings and normans could have such an impact then earlier invasions surely would have too.

[Valmy]

And yet again, Godwin's law is confirmed.

Once all unpleasant things in history are forgotten the Nazis will never be possible.

Because all those movements were based on proper historical understanding of ancient Indo-European religions and stuff.

[Razgovory]

And yet again, Godwin's law is confirmed.

Not so fast, Himmler built on this, but it predates the Nazis.  Admiration for the white man's indigenous religion and contempt for the weak faiths of the Semites goes back as far as the 18th century.  Gibbon essentially blames the fall of Rome for this.  Outright adulation of the old pagan gods starts to become a thing in the 19th century in the confluence of Nationalism, Romanticism, Racialism and Imperialism.  It was expressed most openly in Germany and saw a major setback with a major influx of non-Germans into Germany around the mid 1940's (for some reason or another).  Even the matriarchy minded neopagans of today still draw from the these elements to some degree.

[Valmy]

And yet again, Godwin's law is confirmed.

Not so fast, Himmler built on this, but it predates the Nazis.  Admiration for the white man's indigenous religion and contempt for the weak faiths of the Semites goes back as far as the 18th century.  Gibbon essentially blames the fall of Rome for this.  Outright adulation of the old pagan gods starts to become a thing in the 19th century in the confluence of Nationalism, Romanticism, Racialism and Imperialism.  It was expressed most openly in Germany and saw a major setback with a major influx of non-Germans into Germany around the mid 1940's (for some reason or another).  Even the matriarchy minded neopagans of today still draw from the these elements to some degree.

So therefore all historical knowledge about those religions should be forgotten? Because of something some assholes in the 18th century did? Um they already did it so erasing history will not have any impact Raz. Maybe those people were just assholes and it doesn't and didn't matter what the facts of "white man's indigenous religion" might be?

[Josquius]

The Nazis ruined the Germanic faiths.
I wonder where they would be if they didn't have the far right associations. In the Scandinavian version and the Roman records of the Germans, it is one of the better recorded old pagan faiths afterall.

[Malthus]

The funny part is that Hitler himself thought that Nazi neo-pagan stuff was all bullshit. 

[garbon]

Caliga, check out the British History Podcast.  They go in to a ludicrous amount of detail about Sub-Roman Britain.  It's fantastic. 

The guy has so many axes to grind his axes' axes need grinding. But he sure does get down to nitty gritty.

I believe I have been on Languish long enough that it should surprise no one that I am not troubled by someone who
1) Has inexplicably intense animosities about 1,000 year old issues
2) gets in to ludicrous amounts of details, especially when describing said issues

While knowing oneself is important, personal failings should not be indulged.

[Caliga]

 

[jimmy olsen]

Caliga, check out the British History Podcast.  They go in to a ludicrous amount of detail about Sub-Roman Britain.  It's fantastic. 

The guy has so many axes to grind his axes' axes need grinding. But he sure does get down to nitty gritty.

Elaborate

[jimmy olsen]

The Nazis ruined the Germanic faiths.
I wonder where they would be if they didn't have the far right associations. In the Scandinavian version and the Roman records of the Germans, it is one of the better recorded old pagan faiths afterall.

Roman records on the matter shouldn't be taken as gospel.