GOP Primary Debate #1

[Valmy]

[Razgovory]

*shrug* There are racists in both the Republican and Democratic parties too, but that doesn't make them 'racist' parties.

This is true, but I don't think presidential candidates of either of these parties are openly courting them.  Ron Paul was the Libertarian presidential candidate, and he did publish these news letters for years.  I think that he communicated these racist views to his audience indicates that his audience shared his views.

[Valmy]

Man it was all but unanimous in Mississippi LOL

Barry Goldwater William Miller           Republican   356,528   87.14%
Lyndon Johnson Hubert Humphrey   Democratic   52,618   12.86%

You don't see stuff like that outside of DC these days.

[Berkut]

Yeah, that is just as much bullshit as anything Raz has said.

"A large portion"? How large? Apparently large enough that you are ok with making conclusions about people who ONLY identify as "libertarian" and their views on race and racism.


Evidence? Survey? Data? Anything?

Absent some kind of actual evidence, I am pretty sure this is just your desire to believe something about those you don't agree with, and not much intellectual integrity on your part to constrain what you wish was true to just things that you actually have evidence for...

Ooh, it's Berkut in heat again.  I guess it's that time of the year where you build up yourself up by attempting to tear down other people.  Go fuck yourself, I refuse to dignify this with a substantive response.

RIght, of course you refuse to dignify your bigotry and intellectual dishonesty with a substantive response - you know there isn't one you could provide.

Is asking for evidence for your claims "tear down other people"?

More so than accusing an entire group of being racist without any evidence at all?

[Berkut]

Presumably, if you want to be a racist, you'll pick an ideology that allows you to do so. Whether that makes the one you pick a racist one is another question, but still.

Quit tearing people down.

If racist like vanilla ice cream, then clearly it is fair pool to point out that people who like vanilla ice cream are probably racists.

[Eddie Teach]

There has been one candidate for president that was really libertarian--Barry Goldwater.

I ask you to review the states he carried, and the year of the election, and reflect if this was just a coincidence.

He got votes for opposing the Civil Rights Act, but the reasons he had for doing so differed from most of those voters.

A fascist may side with libertarians nationally to be able to oppress locally, but that doesn't make him a libertarian.

[Razgovory]

There has been one candidate for president that was really libertarian--Barry Goldwater.

I ask you to review the states he carried, and the year of the election, and reflect if this was just a coincidence.

He got votes for opposing the Civil Rights Act, but the reasons he had for doing so differed from most of those voters.

A fascist may side with libertarians nationally to be able to oppress locally, but that doesn't make him a libertarian.

How would you distinguish the two?

[Valmy]

How would you distinguish the two?

Same way one distinguishes between racists and non-racists for non-libertarians I would assume.

[Razgovory]

RIght, of course you refuse to dignify your bigotry and intellectual dishonesty with a substantive response - you know there isn't one you could provide.

Is asking for evidence for your claims "tear down other people"?

More so than accusing an entire group of being racist without any evidence at all?

So I guess we are still ignoring me.  I feel torn down.

[The Minsky Moment]

He said he meant nose and ears.

I think he should have doubled down and said yes you geniuses managed to figure out that I meant menstruation, some women are crazy when that happens.

Women don't menstruate from their eyes.  It's clear to me he was going for some kind of pyscho banshee metaphor, not a woman on the rag.

It's not clear to me what he meant to say either then or a bunch of other times during the debate.  Based on observation there seems to be little evidence that a lot of mental processing goes on before words exit his mouth.  That's the appeal.

[DGuller]

Is asking for evidence for your claims "tear down other people"?

Asking by an unprovoked attack?  Most definitely.  So go fuck yourself, I have grown very tired of you and your shtick.

[DGuller]

It's not clear to me what he meant to say either then or a bunch of other times during the debate.  Based on observation there seems to be little evidence that a lot of mental processing goes on before words exit his mouth.  That's the appeal.

I don't think you're giving him enough credit.  Trump may be crazy, but he's crazy like a fox.  So far he's kept everyone off balance, even Fox News itself.

[Berkut]

Is asking for evidence for your claims "tear down other people"?

Asking by an unprovoked attack?  Most definitely.  So go fuck yourself, I have grown very tired of you and your shtick.

Only when my demand for actual evidence to justify rampant bigotry is aimed at you and your bigotry - otherwise, I am sure my "schtick" is just fine with you.

You are the one making an onerous and revolting claim about people who would, had you the integrity and simpel courtesy to ask them, vehemently deny your characterization. It is telling that when challenged you refuse to provide ANY evidence for you claim, and instead pretend to be offended by the demand, and start spewing vulgarities instead of responses.

[DGuller]

Is asking for evidence for your claims "tear down other people"?

Asking by an unprovoked attack?  Most definitely.  So go fuck yourself, I have grown very tired of you and your shtick.

Only when my demand for actual evidence to justify rampant bigotry is aimed at you and your bigotry - otherwise, I am sure my "schtick" is just fine with you.

You are the one making an onerous and revolting claim about people who would, had you the integrity and simpel courtesy to ask them, vehemently deny your characterization. It is telling that when challenged you refuse to provide ANY evidence for you claim, and instead pretend to be offended by the demand, and start spewing vulgarities instead of responses.

Okay, you got me.

[The Minsky Moment]

There has been one candidate for president that was really libertarian--Barry Goldwater.

I ask you to review the states he carried, and the year of the election, and reflect if this was just a coincidence.

The LBJ states were anti-Semitic.