The Off Topic Topic

[CountDeMoney]

Stone's still pissed he was drafted.

[derspiess]

Stone's still pissed he was drafted.

I thought he volunteered.

[CountDeMoney]

Always thought the Tu-95 was a typically ugly Soviet machine.

It would make beautiful wreckage, the unpainted aluminum a stark contrast to the flames engulfing it, like an ignited Christmas tree.

[CountDeMoney]

Stone's still pissed he was drafted.

I thought he volunteered.

In any case, it's obvious he did not enjoy his Southeast Asia all-inclusive travel package.

[Grey Fox]

Anyway, it's the "Untold History of the US". 

http://www.sho.com/sho/oliver-stones-untold-history-of-the-united-states/home

Basically, Truman was a terrible racist person.  The US and the US alone is responsible for the Cold War.  Stalin wasn't such a bad guy and only wanted good relations with the US and the West.  And a Henry Wallace presidency would have taken the US to an unprecedented era of peace and prosperity.

You....disagree?!

[derspiess]

Anyway, it's the "Untold History of the US". 

http://www.sho.com/sho/oliver-stones-untold-history-of-the-united-states/home

Basically, Truman was a terrible racist person.  The US and the US alone is responsible for the Cold War.  Stalin wasn't such a bad guy and only wanted good relations with the US and the West.  And a Henry Wallace presidency would have taken the US to an unprecedented era of peace and prosperity.

You....disagree?!

Oh, also Truman dropped both atomic bombs because he felt insufficiently masculine.

[Grey Fox]

I wasn't aware Truman was a Bomber crewman.

[jimmy olsen]

Anyway, it's the "Untold History of the US". 

http://www.sho.com/sho/oliver-stones-untold-history-of-the-united-states/home

Basically, Truman was a terrible racist person.  The US and the US alone is responsible for the Cold War.  Stalin wasn't such a bad guy and only wanted good relations with the US and the West.  And a Henry Wallace presidency would have taken the US to an unprecedented era of peace and prosperity.

By the standards of today, probably. What's his explanation for his desegregation of the military? That surely paints him as progressive by the standards of his time.

[Malthus]

Wow, that must be so old.

It must take forever to wind up the rubber bands on that thing. 

[Valmy]

By the standards of today, probably. What's his explanation for his desegregation of the military? That surely paints him as progressive by the standards of his time.

Truman and LBJ are the dudes called out for being huge racists because of how many people they killed in Asia.  But, yeah, they did the desegregation of the military and the Civil Rights Act.  More than FDR or JFK did.

However even guys like WEB Dubois would say things like how it is Black Americans' responsibility to help civilize Africans.  Times were different.

[derspiess]

By the standards of today, probably. What's his explanation for his desegregation of the military? That surely paints him as progressive by the standards of his time.

That was somehow omitted from the documentary.  I had to send my coworker a link to Executive Order 9981 to prove it happened.  Wasn't enough to get him to question Stone's characterization of Truman, unfortunately.

[Grey Fox]

DerFaschist is defending a Democrat.

[alfred russel]

DerFaschist is defending a Democrat.

In the Republican Party membership guidelines, it says you can never defend a democrat, with the exception of any democrat that uses nuclear weapons on non white populations.

[Grey Fox]

You should give shit to your co-worker making you do that.

[derspiess]

I've gone back & forth in my opinion of Truman.  I've settled on an overall positive view.