The Off Topic Topic

[dist]

Yes, some of the older Tintin are famously racist. But you can't really compare both series. Asterix was first published in 59. Imo, the social outlook is not as cringe as Tintin. Maybe due to the respective age of the authors and their supposed politics.

Speaking of things not aging well, I have been watching Cheers recently, and I have been surprised at how cringe the series is. It's violently sexist and often portraits violence, or the threat of violence, as funny. Plus the main male character is a (sexual) harasser. The show really didn't age well and if my better-half wasn't there, I would have quickly stopped watching.

[mongers]

Yes, some of the older Tintin are famously racist. But you can't really compare both series. Asterix was first published in 59. Imo, the social outlook is not as cringe as Tintin. Maybe due to the respective age of the authors and their supposed politics.

Speaking of things not aging well, I have been watching Cheers recently, and I have been surprised at how cringe the series is. It's violently sexist and often portraits violence, or the threat of violence, as funny. Plus the main male character is a (sexual) harasser. The show really didn't age well and if my better-half wasn't there, I would have quickly stopped watching.

Yes, I've not seen any of those since then, so it would be interesting to 'judge' them against more progressive standards.

[Josquius]

Even going back 20-30 years it's interesting how outdated attitudes are.
For instance an episode of friends where a woman thinks joey and chandler are a gay couple... And they react with utmost horror and disgust.

[Sheilbh]

I feel like one show that has stood up well on that front (possibly because about 80% of the writers' room were gay men) is Frasier Whether it's the Patrick Stewart episode or the ski trip episode for a mainstream show in the 90s there is homosexuality around but it's not played as gay panic or the gayness itself being played for laughs.

I also think the Simpsons generally have survived that a bit better than others like Friends.

[Admiral Yi]

What did Ted Danson ever do in Cheers that constituted harassment?

[Admiral Yi]

woops.  wrong thread

[dist]

To answer your question, about every interaction Danson's character has with any female that is not Carla. Like the way he creepily tries to force or trick Rebecca to sleep with him over and over again, constantly bring it back on the table even though she clearly told him she was not interested.

Beside that, my biggest problem with Cheers is how it paints violence and berating as a normal ingredient of a love relationship, and worse, as something that adds spice to it. The entire Sam and Diane relationship is based on it and totally to vomit.

I feel like one show that has stood up well on that front (possibly because about 80% of the writers' room were gay men) is Frasier

I think that's also why Cheers is such a disappointment for me. Frasier wasn't cringe to me. But the character doesn't completely match up between both shows. He does and says things in Cheers that the later Frasier would never do. He has like other characters his misogynistic moments in Cheers.