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Razgovory

Sometimes I get the impression that people don't care about 16th century Dutch paintings. :(
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Quote from: Razgovory on October 07, 2024, 06:27:21 PMSometimes I get the impression that people don't care about 16th century Dutch paintings. :(

Well the 17th Century ones are far superior.
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Quote from: Valmy on October 07, 2024, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 07, 2024, 06:27:21 PMSometimes I get the impression that people don't care about 16th century Dutch paintings. :(

Well the 17th Century ones are far superior.

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Quote from: Barrister on October 07, 2024, 04:21:46 PMI genuinely feel a tiny bit stupider from reading Jos's posts over the last few pages.

I get it dude.  You don't like London.  I feel your pain - I live in Canada and don't like the Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto axis either.  I mean - put aside the fact there/s 2700 km between Edmonton and Toronto, versus 400km between Newcastle and London.

(Holy crap - only 400km?  That's a fucking day trip by car).

But that doesn't by any stretch mean that western Canada is more like, well I guess the USA, than it is eastern Canada.  I know from personal experience the Scots would be quite offended at the notion that northern England should be a part of Scotland (extreme edge cases like Berwick notwithstanding).

Said by someone who has never spent time in this part of the world...

You do realise distance works different in the old world right?
100km is a hell of a long way. Much of this developed in a period when walking was the main way of getting around.
It's irrelevant how far things are. You get some entire countries less than 400km across.

This has fuck all to do with "not liking London". London is actually an oddity in the comparison due to being such a different economic reality and being full of people from all over and not too many actual londoners these days.
I never said northern England should be part of Scotland. How the hell do you get that?
I pointed to the reality on the ground that people in the north are more like Scots than they are people in the south.
And yes, id imagine many in Scotland would get prissy about this as it damages their attempts to try and make out they're massively different to the dreaded English (the south) and so need independence , many in Scotland however can accept reality.
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Quote from: Josquius on October 08, 2024, 01:57:46 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 07, 2024, 04:21:46 PMI genuinely feel a tiny bit stupider from reading Jos's posts over the last few pages.

I get it dude.  You don't like London.  I feel your pain - I live in Canada and don't like the Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto axis either.  I mean - put aside the fact there/s 2700 km between Edmonton and Toronto, versus 400km between Newcastle and London.

(Holy crap - only 400km?  That's a fucking day trip by car).

But that doesn't by any stretch mean that western Canada is more like, well I guess the USA, than it is eastern Canada.  I know from personal experience the Scots would be quite offended at the notion that northern England should be a part of Scotland (extreme edge cases like Berwick notwithstanding).

Said by someone who has never spent time in this part of the world...

You do realise distance works different in the old world right?
100km is a hell of a long way. Much of this developed in a period when walking was the main way of getting around.
It's irrelevant how far things are. You get some entire countries less than 400km across.

This has fuck all to do with "not liking London". London is actually an oddity in the comparison due to being such a different economic reality and being full of people from all over and not too many actual londoners these days.
I never said northern England should be part of Scotland. How the hell do you get that?
I pointed to the reality on the ground that people in the north are more like Scots than they are people in the south.
And yes, id imagine many in Scotland would get prissy about this as it damages their attempts to try and make out they're massively different to the dreaded English (the south) and so need independence , many in Scotland however can accept reality.


Jos - you realize that "distance" actually works the exact same everywhere in the universe, right?

I have in fact driven the entire length of Britain - twice.  It's a remarkably small country that would fit comfortably within Alberta itself.  Which makes your disdain for the south of England all the more humorous.  It's the narcissism of small differences I guess.
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Quote from: Barrister on October 08, 2024, 10:20:38 AMJos - you realize that "distance" actually works the exact same everywhere in the universe, right?
:lol:
No it doesn't.
Travel time has always been a huge factor in the development of civilization.
North America was largely settled in modern times. Mass transit and communication has always been the norm as long as there has been a Canada. White people have only lived in most of the continent for, what, 6 generations?
In Europe meanwhile there were centuries over which travel was far more restricted. Most people rarely left their home village. Communication was often sparse; passing travellers were about the only way you heard what was going on in the world. When you didn't read and basically never met anyone who didn't come from your immediate area language and culture could develop off in a variety of directions.
This led to far greater diversity than you get in post-European settlement North America.

QuoteI have in fact driven the entire length of Britain - twice.  It's a remarkably small country that would fit comfortably within Alberta itself.  Which makes your disdain for the south of England all the more humorous.  It's the narcissism of small differences I guess.

I've visited Beijing. That makes me an expert on the intricacies of Chinese culture?
Hilarious that pointing out Group A is more like Group B than Group C can only be about disdain for group C and not at all an accurate assessment.
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Barrister

Quote from: Josquius on October 08, 2024, 10:29:58 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 08, 2024, 10:20:38 AMJos - you realize that "distance" actually works the exact same everywhere in the universe, right?
:lol:
No it doesn't.

No - it literally does!  :lmfao:  100km is 100km whether it's in Canada or in England.

Every time I've been to Europe I've rented a car and driven all over the place.  And every European seems to think I'm crazy.  So I get it it's a cultural thing - North Americans are much more car-centered versus Europeans.  But that doesn't make "distance" any different no matter where you are.

QuoteTravel time has always been a huge factor in the development of civilization.
North America was largely settled in modern times. Mass transit and communication has always been the norm as long as there has been a Canada. White people have only lived in most of the continent for, what, 6 generations?
In Europe meanwhile there were centuries over which travel was far more restricted. Most people rarely left their home village. Communication was often sparse; passing travellers were about the only way you heard what was going on in the world. When you didn't read and basically never met anyone who didn't come from your immediate area language could develop off in a variety of directions.
This led to far greater diversity than you get in post-European settlement North America.

So on the one hand I'm a fifth generation Canadian - my ancestors (on both my Ukrainian and my English sides) came here about 120 years ago.  But that's western Canada - you ask a Quebecer they go back several hundred years on this continent.

But beyond that - so what?  Does that mean my eyes don't work?  I can't make observations?

There's a fierce rivalry between Edmonton and Calgary, despite the cities being about 300km apart.  But I can tell you that rivalry is precisely because both cities are so similar, because many/most people have friends or relatives in both cities.

You hate southern England precisely because it's so similar to northern England, not because it's so different. 

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QuoteI have in fact driven the entire length of Britain - twice.  It's a remarkably small country that would fit comfortably within Alberta itself.  Which makes your disdain for the south of England all the more humorous.  It's the narcissism of small differences I guess.

I've visited Beijing. That makes me an expert on the intricacies of Chinese culture?
Hilarious that pointing out Group A is more like Group B than Group C can only be about disdain for group C and not at all an accurate assessment.

Expert?  No.

But can the observations of an outsider have valid observations - which may not be obvious to someone who is to close?  Abso-fucking-lutely.
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Quote from: Grey Fox on October 08, 2024, 11:15:44 AMSomehow, 2 native english speakers are lost in translation.

To be fair, one is English.
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