The Off Topic Topic

[Duque de Bragança]

FDP is not a bad fit for Macron, as a matter of fact.

[Tamas]

See this is the sh*t that makes me think the left is only marginally less racist than the right, they just approach it with a different tone:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/12/hideki-matsuyama-masters-victory-asian-americans

Hideki Matsuyama is Japanese but his victory matters for Asian Americans

It's a bloody golf tournament. Why on Earth does that have to be made about race, why do we have to insist that race categorisation enters absolutely everything? Sure, there are instances where progressives should highlight the racial element like how a black person is in danger of being shot every time they are stopped by the police. But would it not be in non-racist interest to avoid racial overtones on topics absolutely and entirely unconnected to race?

[Grey Fox]

We don't. Americans do. It is the failure of the UK if it enters it too.

[Habbaku]

Reports of Turkey/Erdogan supporting Ukraine being in NATO. 

[Sheilbh]

See this is the sh*t that makes me think the left is only marginally less racist than the right, they just approach it with a different tone:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/12/hideki-matsuyama-masters-victory-asian-americans

Hideki Matsuyama is Japanese but his victory matters for Asian Americans

The biggest culture clash on this for me was the French World Cup team which progressives in the US and Marine Le Pen in France hailed as an African victory.

[Tamas]

See this is the sh*t that makes me think the left is only marginally less racist than the right, they just approach it with a different tone:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/12/hideki-matsuyama-masters-victory-asian-americans

Hideki Matsuyama is Japanese but his victory matters for Asian Americans

The biggest culture clash on this for me was the French World Cup team which progressives in the US and Marine Le Pen in France hailed as an African victory.

What is especially infuriating is that the premise seems to be that a Japanese guy's sport success should validate the worth of Asians in the US who have had an increase in racist attacks due to covid and whatnot.

I mean, where do you even begin with that? The fact that the supposedly anti-racist author stops at the "they have the same funny-shaped eyes" level when it comes to differentiating between Asians, or that the supposedly anti-racist author feels like the Asians need to validate themselves as wortwhile via succeeding in sport?

This is, quite simply, a racist article. Just because it is patronisingly condescending instead of just simply condenscending doesn't change that.

[Sheilbh]

There is an alarming bit of extremely dodgy ideas or consequences but somehow progressive on the sort of Twitter left. I remember seeing someone having a go at Kamala Harris, AOC and another Democrat - I can't remember who - for having white partners

[Razgovory]

See this is the sh*t that makes me think the left is only marginally less racist than the right, they just approach it with a different tone:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/12/hideki-matsuyama-masters-victory-asian-americans

Hideki Matsuyama is Japanese but his victory matters for Asian Americans

It's a bloody golf tournament. Why on Earth does that have to be made about race, why do we have to insist that race categorisation enters absolutely everything? Sure, there are instances where progressives should highlight the racial element like how a black person is in danger of being shot every time they are stopped by the police. But would it not be in non-racist interest to avoid racial overtones on topics absolutely and entirely unconnected to race?

Why are we still going with the attacked in Georgia was inspired by racism thing?  I thought it was inspired by misogyny and a really demented religion thing.

[Josquius]

There's definitely been a spike in racism against East Asians out of corona, no matter whether a particular case was an example of this or not.

[Valmy]

See this is the sh*t that makes me think the left is only marginally less racist than the right, they just approach it with a different tone:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/12/hideki-matsuyama-masters-victory-asian-americans

Hideki Matsuyama is Japanese but his victory matters for Asian Americans

The biggest culture clash on this for me was the French World Cup team which progressives in the US and Marine Le Pen in France hailed as an African victory.

That pissed me off. Many of those players could have played for an African team if they wanted to but they chose to play for France...is it too much to ask people to respect their agency there?

[garbon]

See this is the sh*t that makes me think the left is only marginally less racist than the right, they just approach it with a different tone:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/12/hideki-matsuyama-masters-victory-asian-americans

Hideki Matsuyama is Japanese but his victory matters for Asian Americans

The biggest culture clash on this for me was the French World Cup team which progressives in the US and Marine Le Pen in France hailed as an African victory.

What is especially infuriating is that the premise seems to be that a Japanese guy's sport success should validate the worth of Asians in the US who have had an increase in racist attacks due to covid and whatnot.

I mean, where do you even begin with that? The fact that the supposedly anti-racist author stops at the "they have the same funny-shaped eyes" level when it comes to differentiating between Asians, or that the supposedly anti-racist author feels like the Asians need to validate themselves as wortwhile via succeeding in sport?

This is, quite simply, a racist article. Just because it is patronisingly condescending instead of just simply condenscending doesn't change that.

Feels like you have a bone to pick.

I would agree that I don't think sporting prowess is something to get excited about but I can understand that visibility and visibility outside of 'stereotypes' can have a positive impact.

[Valmy]

See this is the sh*t that makes me think the left is only marginally less racist than the right, they just approach it with a different tone:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/12/hideki-matsuyama-masters-victory-asian-americans

Hideki Matsuyama is Japanese but his victory matters for Asian Americans

It's a bloody golf tournament. Why on Earth does that have to be made about race, why do we have to insist that race categorisation enters absolutely everything? Sure, there are instances where progressives should highlight the racial element like how a black person is in danger of being shot every time they are stopped by the police. But would it not be in non-racist interest to avoid racial overtones on topics absolutely and entirely unconnected to race?

Of the fact that Americans should be rooting for Japanese athletes over American ones. It is almost endorsing the kind of logic that led to Japanese Americans being interred during WWII, that they are more loyal to Japan than the United States.

[Valmy]

Feels like you have a bone to pick.

I would agree that I don't think sporting prowess is something to get excited about but I can understand that visibility and visibility outside of 'stereotypes' can have a positive impact.

I guess. But decades of success by Asian athletes has already occurred. If that didn't convince you that those stereotypes are wrong then one golf victory is unlikely to do so.

[Liep]

Reports of Turkey/Erdogan supporting Ukraine being in NATO. 

And Russia has now stopped all flights to Turkey. Because of Covid...

[garbon]

Feels like you have a bone to pick.

I would agree that I don't think sporting prowess is something to get excited about but I can understand that visibility and visibility outside of 'stereotypes' can have a positive impact.

I guess. But decades of success by Asian athletes has already occurred. If that didn't convince you that those stereotypes are wrong then one golf victory is unlikely to do so.

Agreed