European Islamophobia

[garbon]

So in a thread about Islamophobia in Europe, we have a couple of Americans posting generalised blanket statements about other ethnicities.   

Is there nationality relevant?  Perhaps you'd like to generalize their behavior? 

Ah!

[celedhring]

I work with a Russian 30something girl, and she's pretty smoking and a really nice person.

[mongers]

So in a thread about Islamophobia in Europe, we have a couple of Americans posting generalised blanket statements about other ethnicities.   

Is there nationality relevant?  Perhaps you'd like to generalize their behavior? 

They're discussing what apparently goes on in America.

No that's why I said a couple ie two; I'm pretty sure most Americans don't hold such proto-racist views. 

[derspiess]

I work with a Russian 30something girl, and she's pretty smoking and a really nice person.

Yeah, those are the ones you really have to look out for.

[Admiral Yi]

No that's why I said a couple ie two; I'm pretty sure most Americans don't hold such proto-racist views.

My guess is the majority of Americans, and people around the world, subscribe to generalizations, both positive and negative.

If you're going to call the mere act of generalization proto-racist, it renders the term meaningless.  For example it's conventional wisdom on Languish and at large that English people are uncomfortable around strangers.  It's either true or it's false.  If it's true, your definition of racism puts you in conflict with reality.

I suggest you consider a different definition of racist/bigot: a person who holds on to existing generalizations and refuses to consider evidence that would alter that generalization.  I think Jews are generally smart and unathletic.  If I encounter more and more athletic Jews, but still hold on to my old stereotype, then that belief is bigoted.

[CountDeMoney]

No that's why I said a couple ie two; I'm pretty sure most Americans don't hold such proto-racist views.

Asian chicks are submissive.

[mongers]

No that's why I said a couple ie two; I'm pretty sure most Americans don't hold such proto-racist views.

My guess is the majority of Americans, and people around the world, subscribe to generalizations, both positive and negative.

If you're going to call the mere act of generalization proto-racist, it renders the term meaningless. For example it's conventional wisdom on Languish and at large that English people are uncomfortable around strangers.  It's either true or it's false.  If it's true, your definition of racism puts you in conflict with reality.
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Projecting much are you, hint the rest of the world may not be like you. Where on earth do you get that from?  I think a good test would be ask non-UK posters who've met UK Languishite, if that stereotype hold with them. 

For what it's worth my own view is that the British Languishites I've met are a pretty gregarious bunch of people, as are the American and Canadian one's I've met.

[CountDeMoney]

[Admiral Yi]

Projecting much are you, hint the rest of the world may not be like you. Where on earth do you get that from?  I think a good test would be ask non-UK posters who've met UK Languishite, if that stereotype hold with them. 

For what it's worth my own view is that the British Languishites I've met are a pretty gregarious bunch of people, as are the American and Canadian one's I've met.

Can I assume based on this post that you have conceded that generalizations do not equate to racism, and that you'd now like to move on to discussing which generalizations are accurate?

[mongers]

Projecting much are you, hint the rest of the world may not be like you. Where on earth do you get that from?  I think a good test would be ask non-UK posters who've met UK Languishite, if that stereotype hold with them. 

For what it's worth my own view is that the British Languishites I've met are a pretty gregarious bunch of people, as are the American and Canadian one's I've met.

Can I assume based on this post that you have conceded that generalizations do not equate to racism, and that you'd now like to move on to discussing which generalizations are accurate?

Nope, they're one of the first steps towards them, hence my use of proto. But do carry on characterising what I said.

[Admiral Yi]

But do carry on characterising what I said.

I never started.  I asked a clarifying question about the meaning of your change of subject.

[Martinus]

Can we all agree that both Muslims and Russians are scum? 

[Martinus]

In fact, pretty much all people are scum, only in different ways. That's diversity.

[Siege]

I don't undestand.

Does the world think all Muslims are with the terrorists?  I think not, so I think the cartoonist is full of shit.

Does the whole world think all Muslims are with the terrorists? No.

Is there a sizable number of people in the West who think that a big part of the problem is that the average Muslim approves of terrorism? Sure.

I think all Muslims are terrorists, but I never get asked.

[Siege]

Well, maybe not all are exactly terrorists, but they are all either terrorists, terrorists in the making, or terrorist factories.