European Islamophobia

[derspiess]

Here you go, derspiess:

Die Zeit quotes a recent poll by the Bertelsmann Foundation who monitor attitudes towards religions. According to their recent survey (taken before the attack in Paris):
- 57% of Germans see Islam as a threat
- 40% feel they're strangers in their own country
- 24% would ban Muslims from immigrating

At the same time, more than half of Germans consider themselves to be tolerant.

Not quite what I was looking for.  Looking for a poll with questions something like "Do you think Muslims generally approve of terrorism?"

One can have negative feelings about the numbers of Muslim immigrants or changes/issues related to those numbers without thinking Muslims heart terrorism.

[dps]

think of what would happen to gays in America, if there was a revolution and right-wing "Tea Party" fundies seized power. .

They wouldn't be able to get married anymore, but would pay lower income taxes.

[garbon]

Here you go, derspiess:

Die Zeit quotes a recent poll by the Bertelsmann Foundation who monitor attitudes towards religions. According to their recent survey (taken before the attack in Paris):
- 57% of Germans see Islam as a threat
- 40% feel they're strangers in their own country
- 24% would ban Muslims from immigrating

At the same time, more than half of Germans consider themselves to be tolerant.

Not quite what I was looking for.  Looking for a poll with questions something like "Do you think Muslims generally approve of terrorism?"

One can have negative feelings about the numbers of Muslim immigrants or changes/issues related to those numbers without thinking Muslims heart terrorism.

On the flipside, we've had several people here, Drakken being the most recent - who have said that Muslims need to come out denouncing every single act of terror that is claimed to stem from Islam. That otherwise they are helping to perpetuate the violence.

[Malthus]

Here you go, derspiess:

Die Zeit quotes a recent poll by the Bertelsmann Foundation who monitor attitudes towards religions. According to their recent survey (taken before the attack in Paris):
- 57% of Germans see Islam as a threat
- 40% feel they're strangers in their own country
- 24% would ban Muslims from immigrating

At the same time, more than half of Germans consider themselves to be tolerant.

Not quite what I was looking for.  Looking for a poll with questions something like "Do you think Muslims generally approve of terrorism?"

One can have negative feelings about the numbers of Muslim immigrants or changes/issues related to those numbers without thinking Muslims heart terrorism.

You mean, like the polls cited by the Christian Science Monitor article?

[Sheilbh]

And, which is why I have an issue with it, statements like Farage's which blamed this attack on multiculturalism and said there's a 'fifth column with our passports' in our country doesn't seem to draw any distinction between Islam, Islamism and Muslims.

[11B4V]

think of what would happen to gays in America, if there was a revolution and right-wing "Tea Party" fundies seized power. .

They wouldn't be able to get married anymore, but would pay lower income taxes.

Cant agree with that. The train has already left the station on that one. No going back.

[Admiral Yi]

You mean, like the polls cited by the Christian Science Monitor article?

Are you talking about the question about associating Islam and Muslim with terrorism?

[Razgovory]

I don't undestand.

Does the world think all Muslims are with the terrorists?  I think not, so I think the cartoonist is full of shit.

What is your opinion on Islam and Muslims?

[dps]

Here you go, derspiess:

Die Zeit quotes a recent poll by the Bertelsmann Foundation who monitor attitudes towards religions. According to their recent survey (taken before the attack in Paris):
- 57% of Germans see Islam as a threat
- 40% feel they're strangers in their own country
- 24% would ban Muslims from immigrating

At the same time, more than half of Germans consider themselves to be tolerant.

Not quite what I was looking for.  Looking for a poll with questions something like "Do you think Muslims generally approve of terrorism?"

One can have negative feelings about the numbers of Muslim immigrants or changes/issues related to those numbers without thinking Muslims heart terrorism.

On the flipside, we've had several people here, Drakken being the most recent - who have said that Muslims need to come out denouncing every single act of terror that is claimed to stem from Islam. That otherwise they are helping to perpetuate the violence.

Beyond that, though, I largely agree with what Jacob said in post #238--I believe that Yi is incorrect in his belief that most people in the West really make any meaningful distinction between Islam and Muslims (and FWIW, I don't think most people make a meaningful distinction between Christianity and Christians, or between Judaism and Jews either--sure, people understand that one is the name of a religion, and the other a term for followers of that religion, but in most contexts I don't think that makes much difference to most people);  and that at best it's a minor quibble that doesn't warrant a "piece of shit" response to the cartoon.  I think that such a response shows, at best, a rather bizarre view of how political cartoons work--exaggeration is one of the biggest weapons a political cartoonist has in his arsenal, and using it hardly makes one a piece of shit.

[Admiral Yi]

What is your opinion on Islam and Muslims?

Islam is a threat.  All Muslims are with the terrorists.

[derspiess]

You mean, like the polls cited by the Christian Science Monitor article?

Sifting through that now.  Not seeing anything specifically cited that meets my criteria. 

[dps]

think of what would happen to gays in America, if there was a revolution and right-wing "Tea Party" fundies seized power. .

They wouldn't be able to get married anymore, but would pay lower income taxes.

Cant agree with that. The train has already left the station on that one. No going back.

So the only affect would be that they would pay lower income taxes, then. 

[Razgovory]

What is your opinion on Islam and Muslims?

Islam is a threat.  All Muslims are with the terrorists.

Okay... I didn't expect you to be so... candid.

[Jacob]

So the only affect would be that they would pay lower income taxes, then.

Assuming the Tea Party is willing to take direction from 11B4V and his ilk.

[Malthus]

And, which is why I have an issue with it, statements like Farage's which blamed this attack on multiculturalism and said there's a 'fifth column with our passports' in our country doesn't seem to draw any distinction between Islam, Islamism and Muslims.

Sounds like he and Grallon have a lot in common.

Hell, there have been at least a couple of Langusihites who have said that we are "Islamicist Apologists". Apparently, you don't even have to be Muslim to be the enemy.