European Islamophobia

[Malthus]

You don't think there are Muslims who feel that non-Muslims view them as enemies and as abettors of radical Islamicist terrorists, while at the same time the radical Islamicist terrorists view them as enemies and as abettors of the secular values of the infidels?

Or did you get something else from the drawing?

What I got from the drawing is that feeling is accurate.

I don't undestand.

[CountDeMoney]

I prefer my Satans to be awesome and faustian, not dispensed by a bored, tattooed barrista. 

But see, that's precisely where you'd find him, because that's where you'd least expect him.  Because he deals in deceit and subterfuge.  And whipped cream.  With little chocolate shavings on top.

It's not chocolate. 

I rest my case. 

[Admiral Yi]

I don't undestand.

Does the world think all Muslims are with the terrorists?  I think not, so I think the cartoonist is full of shit.

[Malthus]

I don't undestand.

Does the world think all Muslims are with the terrorists?  I think not, so I think the cartoonist is full of shit.

Does the whole world think all Muslims are with the terrorists? No.

Is there a sizable number of people in the West who think that a big part of the problem is that the average Muslim approves of terrorism? Sure.

[Jacob]

Does the world think all Muslims are with the terrorists?  I think not, so I think the cartoonist is full of shit.

That's a strangely absolutist and literal way to read cartoons. By that metric most of the the cartoons we've seen from Charlie Hebdo and in response to the shootings are full of shit too.

[derspiess]

Is there a sizable number of people in the West who think that a big part of the problem is that the average Muslim approves of terrorism? Sure.

I'd like to see polling data on that.

[Jacob]

Is there a sizable number of people in the West who think that a big part of the problem is that the average Muslim approves of terrorism? Sure.

I'd like to see polling data on that.

There was some earlier in this thread (or the other related one).

[Jacob]

Here you go, derspiess:

Die Zeit quotes a recent poll by the Bertelsmann Foundation who monitor attitudes towards religions. According to their recent survey (taken before the attack in Paris):
- 57% of Germans see Islam as a threat
- 40% feel they're strangers in their own country
- 24% would ban Muslims from immigrating

At the same time, more than half of Germans consider themselves to be tolerant.

[Sheilbh]

Is there a sizable number of people in the West who think that a big part of the problem is that the average Muslim approves of terrorism? Sure.

See the polling in Germany from the Bertelsmann Foundation and comments from Nigel 'fifth columnist' Farage.

In addition to the ones cited by Jacob there 61% see Islam as having no place in the West, up from 52% in 2012.

[Admiral Yi]

Does the whole world think all Muslims are with the terrorists? No.

Is there a sizable number of people in the West who think that a big part of the problem is that the average Muslim approves of terrorism? Sure.

Is the globe an accurate representation of "a sizable number of people in the West," and where is the evidence that a sizable number of people feel this way?  The poll Jacob cited talks about Islam, not all Muslims.

[Jacob]

Is the globe an accurate representation of "a sizable number of people in the West," and where is the evidence that a sizable number of people feel this way?  The poll Jacob cited talks about Islam, not all Muslims.

You think people tend to distinguish between Islam and Muslims?

Beyond that, your primary beef with the cartoon is that the globe is the wrong symbol to represent the part of the world that thinks ordinary Muslims are somehow complicit with radical Islamic terrorists?

[Admiral Yi]

You think people tend to distinguish between Islam and Muslims?

Absolutely.

Beyond that, your primary beef with the cartoon is that the globe is the wrong symbol to represent the part of the world that thinks ordinary Muslims are somehow complicit with radical Islamic terrorists?

Absolutely.

[Jacob]

You think people tend to distinguish between Islam and Muslims?

Absolutely.

Excellent. We understand each other, which I count as a victory for both of us

As well, I will add: I disagree.

Beyond that, your primary beef with the cartoon is that the globe is the wrong symbol to represent the part of the world that thinks ordinary Muslims are somehow complicit with radical Islamic terrorists?

Absolutely.

I think that's a minor quibble at best, which does not at all warrant a "full of shit" IMO.

[Malthus]

Does the whole world think all Muslims are with the terrorists? No.

Is there a sizable number of people in the West who think that a big part of the problem is that the average Muslim approves of terrorism? Sure.

Is the globe an accurate representation of "a sizable number of people in the West," and where is the evidence that a sizable number of people feel this way?  The poll Jacob cited talks about Islam, not all Muslims.

From the poll:

"- 24% would ban Muslims from immigrating"

Seems at least some evidence.

According to the Christian Science Monitor:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0223/p09s01-coop.html

Public opinion surveys in the United States and Europe show that nearly half of Westerners associate Islam with violence and Muslims with terrorists.

Haven't actually read the polls myself, but as the article points out, this result is hardly unexpected.

[11B4V]

That cartoon is rather insipid.