European Islamophobia

[Malthus]

This is hardly controversial stuff ...

They skipped the graven images one and split the old coveting the wife and ass into two commandments. Jewish law does not apply to Christians. In any case my position stands until you somehow show that eating shrimp or wearing mixed fabrics or working on a sunday are universally or to a large extent considered sin by christians.

No they don't. Show me an actual source that says Roman Catholics do not have the commandment against graven images.

This particular bit of nonsense is, apparently, stated by anti-Catholic religious loonies, but has no basis in reality.

Here's a Catholic refutation. Are you claiming that you know Catholic doctrine better than Catholics?

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/apologetics/catholic-doctrines-and-practices/graven-images-altering-the-commandments/

According to this booklet, one "mark of the beast" is the alteration of God's Commandments. The booklet claims that the Catholic Church dropped the "Second Commandment" which forbids "graven images", i.e. statues. Allegedly the Catholic Church condones statue worship.

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The Catholic Church has not altered the Ten Commandments of God. The Church has not dropped the "Second Commandment" as the booklet alleges. The Catholic numbering scheme may differ with the Protestant numbering scheme, but this is due to a difference in tradition and not an alteration of God's Commandments. Unfortunately the Bible is not clear on how to divide or number the Ten Commandments.

You are simply wrong on the facts. You have mistakenly accepted an anti-Catholic canard invented by fundies as the truth.

[crazy canuck]

The notion that Christianity holus-bolus discarded the OT as a source of religious commandments (or ' At best they argue that the jewish law is helpful in understanding the nature of god') is simply unhistorical and wrong.

There was a Christian sect which believed the Jewish writings should not form part of acceptable Christian teaching but that view did not win out.

[Valmy]

It's complicated

[crazy canuck]

It's complicated

Agreed. 

[Siege]

(mortars, rockets, catapults, etc)

Have you actually come under fire from a catapult once?

It was a poor joke about the quality of Iraqi equipment and training.

[Viking]

This is hardly controversial stuff ...

They skipped the graven images one and split the old coveting the wife and ass into two commandments. Jewish law does not apply to Christians. In any case my position stands until you somehow show that eating shrimp or wearing mixed fabrics or working on a sunday are universally or to a large extent considered sin by christians.

No they don't. Show me an actual source that says Roman Catholics do not have the commandment against graven images.

This particular bit of nonsense is, apparently, stated by anti-Catholic religious loonies, but has no basis in reality.

Here's a Catholic refutation. Are you claiming that you know Catholic doctrine better than Catholics?

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/apologetics/catholic-doctrines-and-practices/graven-images-altering-the-commandments/

According to this booklet, one "mark of the beast" is the alteration of God's Commandments. The booklet claims that the Catholic Church dropped the "Second Commandment" which forbids "graven images", i.e. statues. Allegedly the Catholic Church condones statue worship.

...

The Catholic Church has not altered the Ten Commandments of God. The Church has not dropped the "Second Commandment" as the booklet alleges. The Catholic numbering scheme may differ with the Protestant numbering scheme, but this is due to a difference in tradition and not an alteration of God's Commandments. Unfortunately the Bible is not clear on how to divide or number the Ten Commandments.

You are simply wrong on the facts. You have mistakenly accepted an anti-Catholic canard invented by fundies as the truth.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm

[Malthus]

This is hardly controversial stuff ...

They skipped the graven images one and split the old coveting the wife and ass into two commandments. Jewish law does not apply to Christians. In any case my position stands until you somehow show that eating shrimp or wearing mixed fabrics or working on a sunday are universally or to a large extent considered sin by christians.

No they don't. Show me an actual source that says Roman Catholics do not have the commandment against graven images.

This particular bit of nonsense is, apparently, stated by anti-Catholic religious loonies, but has no basis in reality.

Here's a Catholic refutation. Are you claiming that you know Catholic doctrine better than Catholics?

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/apologetics/catholic-doctrines-and-practices/graven-images-altering-the-commandments/

According to this booklet, one "mark of the beast" is the alteration of God's Commandments. The booklet claims that the Catholic Church dropped the "Second Commandment" which forbids "graven images", i.e. statues. Allegedly the Catholic Church condones statue worship.

...

The Catholic Church has not altered the Ten Commandments of God. The Church has not dropped the "Second Commandment" as the booklet alleges. The Catholic numbering scheme may differ with the Protestant numbering scheme, but this is due to a difference in tradition and not an alteration of God's Commandments. Unfortunately the Bible is not clear on how to divide or number the Ten Commandments.

You are simply wrong on the facts. You have mistakenly accepted an anti-Catholic canard invented by fundies as the truth.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm

So, you *are* still claiming that Catholics dropped the graven image commandment? Even after it was clearly explained that this was simply a numbering issue, and it falls within the first bit of the Catchetism - which is a 'short form' for ease of rememberance?

Incredible.

[crazy canuck]

Incredible.

I thought he was posting it to show that he was now agreeing with you 

[Malthus]

Incredible.

I thought he was posting it to show that he was now agreeing with you 

Well, if that is the case, colour me wrong. 

[garbon]

Incredible.

I thought he was posting it to show that he was now agreeing with you 

[Jacob]

Well, if that is the case, colour me wrong. 

Viking never admits he is wrong. CC was making a joke.

[Malthus]

Well, if that is the case, colour me wrong. 

Viking never admits he is wrong. CC was making a joke.

I can't win! 

[Martinus]

Yes. Religions are ideas and should be treated as such. What you think about government spending or gun rights or the chinese plan for the nicaragua canal is subject to criticism and you are subject to mockery and ridicule for thinking the world is flat or thinking that vaccines cause autism.

Just to be sure, are you saying that religions and ideas should be treated the same?  For all intents and purposes Atheism is a secular religion?

The point is that all ideas - whether it is a religion, atheism or, say, vegetarianism, should be treated the same and be given the same kind of protection. That does not mean all of them are religions. 

[Martinus]

So, my Amazon purchase order now features an English version of Quran (hardcover), two copies of Dieux du Stade 2015 naked rugby player calendar and an iPhone wallet cover. Will I make it to the FBI watch list? 

[The Brain]

Honey, you're not on any list.