Making better humans, or rather, making less-bad ones

Started by Ideologue, December 13, 2014, 10:49:51 PM

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If the technological infrastructure was present for public eugenics, would you be okay with it?

Yes
8 (25%)
Yes, but only for truly insuperable diseases, like harlequinism and Tays-Sachs
10 (31.3%)
No, private eugenics has done a great job
8 (25%)
I'm okay with Jaron being sterilized
6 (18.8%)

Total Members Voted: 31

jimmy olsen

If we had complete mastery of genetic engineering and could design a race of Kahn like supermen, sure. I do not think that such a thing is likely to be possible in my life time, so I'd be against anything more complex than option #2
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Josquius

Only for diseases and very minor tweaks.
A world of upper-class supermen would not be a great place.
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Martinus

Also, I am not sure I understand the proposal. Already abortion is legal for cases with fetal genetic disorder, and in most civilised countries the cost of the procedure is refunded by the national health service. Likewise, in most civilised countries pre-natal tests are free and offered by the national health service.

So what's the difference between that and your proposal?

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Ideologue

Quote from: Martinus on December 14, 2014, 07:49:18 AM
Also, I am not sure I understand the proposal. Already abortion is legal for cases with fetal genetic disorder, and in most civilised countries the cost of the procedure is refunded by the national health service. Likewise, in most civilised countries pre-natal tests are free and offered by the national health service.

So what's the difference between that and your proposal?

Kickbacks to people who decide to abort weenies.
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Martinus

Quote from: Ideologue on December 14, 2014, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 14, 2014, 07:49:18 AM
Also, I am not sure I understand the proposal. Already abortion is legal for cases with fetal genetic disorder, and in most civilised countries the cost of the procedure is refunded by the national health service. Likewise, in most civilised countries pre-natal tests are free and offered by the national health service.

So what's the difference between that and your proposal?

Kickbacks to people who decide to abort weenies.

As I said already it is not a viable incentive. Those who consider abortion to be a valid choice will do so anyway as long as you allow this to be refunded by a NHS - those who consider it morally unacceptable won't do it for a cash reward.

Ideologue

I don't know if that's true: non-crippling defects might be amenable to a little grease.  You've got to overcome inertia, after all.
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Razgovory

I'm glad nobody puts Ide in charge of anything more important then a crew of short order cooks.
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Ideologue

Quote from: Razgovory on December 14, 2014, 02:41:13 PM
I'm glad nobody puts Ide in charge of anything more important then a crew of short order cooks.

I'm being trained to be in charge of developing privilege logs for multibillion-dollar litigation.  So, in other words, you overestimate me. :(
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Neil

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MadImmortalMan

Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 14, 2014, 05:30:09 AM
If we had complete mastery of genetic engineering and could design a race of Kahn like supermen, sure. I do not think that such a thing is likely to be possible in my life time, so I'd be against anything more complex than option #2

Ah, eugenics wars.  :P
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Neil

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 14, 2014, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 14, 2014, 05:30:09 AM
If we had complete mastery of genetic engineering and could design a race of Kahn like supermen, sure. I do not think that such a thing is likely to be possible in my life time, so I'd be against anything more complex than option #2

Ah, eugenics wars.  :P
Eugenics wars?  Tim is talking about Oliver Kahn, the former German goalie.
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Ideologue

Quote from: Neil on December 14, 2014, 02:47:28 PM
I'll support you, Ide.

:)

I never understood the Eugenics Wars premise.  If you can engineer superior intelligence, you can engineer superior empathy.  Maybe they decided, rightly, that it was a weakness in individual men and women.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Neil on December 14, 2014, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 14, 2014, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 14, 2014, 05:30:09 AM
If we had complete mastery of genetic engineering and could design a race of Kahn like supermen, sure. I do not think that such a thing is likely to be possible in my life time, so I'd be against anything more complex than option #2

Ah, eugenics wars.  :P
Eugenics wars?  Tim is talking about Oliver Kahn, the former German goalie.

We need more Madeleine Kahns.  :mad:

Ideologue

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