Making better humans, or rather, making less-bad ones

Started by Ideologue, December 13, 2014, 10:49:51 PM

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If the technological infrastructure was present for public eugenics, would you be okay with it?

Yes
8 (25%)
Yes, but only for truly insuperable diseases, like harlequinism and Tays-Sachs
10 (31.3%)
No, private eugenics has done a great job
8 (25%)
I'm okay with Jaron being sterilized
6 (18.8%)

Total Members Voted: 31

MadImmortalMan

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Neil

Quote from: Ideologue on December 14, 2014, 03:40:59 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 14, 2014, 02:47:28 PM
I'll support you, Ide.

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I never understood the Eugenics Wars premise.  If you can engineer superior intelligence, you can engineer superior empathy.  Maybe they decided, rightly, that it was a weakness in individual men and women.
The power of genetics wasn't well understood by the public in the 60s.  Really, it still isn't.  The word 'eugenics' was no doubt used in Khan's backstory because of the relation to Nazism.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Ideologue

The Nazis built roads and rockets.  We still use those. :(
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Darth Wagtaros

PDH!

CountDeMoney

Not nearly as much as Chaka Khan.  She feels for you.

Razgovory

I wonder if homosexuality would be considered an undesirable element as homosexuals are on average more likely to be depressed and suffer STDs.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Neil

Quote from: Razgovory on December 14, 2014, 05:40:59 PM
I wonder if homosexuality would be considered an undesirable element as homosexuals are on average more likely to be depressed and suffer STDs.
If it has a genetic component, then it can be selected against, or perhaps cured.  Wouldn't it be nice if the homosexuals just born were the last ones?
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

CountDeMoney

No, because the fashion and furnishings world would suffer.

Neil

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 14, 2014, 05:50:16 PM
No, because the fashion and furnishings world would suffer.
It's not like women couldn't step up.  And surely the social benefits would be worth it.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

garbon

Quote from: Razgovory on December 14, 2014, 05:40:59 PM
I wonder if homosexuality would be considered an undesirable element as homosexuals are on average more likely to be depressed and suffer STDs.

We've already had this conversation before. For both, it is hard to parse out what is intrinsic to homosexuality itself and what stems from societal pressures placed on homosexuals.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Neil on December 14, 2014, 05:59:33 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 14, 2014, 05:50:16 PM
No, because the fashion and furnishings world would suffer.
It's not like women couldn't step up.  And surely the social benefits would be worth it.

What, and be left with doilies and "country kitchen" motifs?  Pass.

Neil

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 14, 2014, 06:15:44 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 14, 2014, 05:59:33 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 14, 2014, 05:50:16 PM
No, because the fashion and furnishings world would suffer.
It's not like women couldn't step up.  And surely the social benefits would be worth it.
What, and be left with doilies and "country kitchen" motifs?  Pass.
It wasn't like that before we allowed gays to function in society.  We would be fine.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Tyr on December 14, 2014, 05:51:09 AM

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Razgovory

Quote from: garbon on December 14, 2014, 06:14:00 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 14, 2014, 05:40:59 PM
I wonder if homosexuality would be considered an undesirable element as homosexuals are on average more likely to be depressed and suffer STDs.

We've already had this conversation before. For both, it is hard to parse out what is intrinsic to homosexuality itself and what stems from societal pressures placed on homosexuals.

Why the factors exist are irrelevant.  What is relevant is simply that they are undesirable factors.  Besides, much easier to do a medical procedure then to force every person to like gays better or make gays less slutty.  I had previously suggested that if it homosexuality acquired prenatally, (it's unlikely to be genetic and likely to be hormonal), and this condition could be altered in the womb, that homosexuality would all but disappear, not out of hate but simply from parents wanting children to be like them.  I imagine that within a hundred years gay rights will be irrelevant.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Ideologue

Most parents would probably opt for bisexuality, doubling one's chances of finding domestic splendor.
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