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Started by MadImmortalMan, November 13, 2014, 05:16:21 PM

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MadImmortalMan

Why do people say "yeah no" when agreeing, or even sometimes even disagreeing with others? Is this related to the "ending every sentence with a question mark" (valley girl) thing people sometimes do in order to seem less assertive and nonthreatening? Or call it passive-aggressive maybe.


Listening to various things (TV pundits, radio, podcasts) I've begun noticing the "yeah, no" thing is beginning to stick out. I guess since I started noticing it, it no longer just flies by and I hear it all the damn time.
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Jacob

I've only heard it as disagreement, and it's come across like this:

"Yeah" = "I heard what you said and acknowledge it"/ "I'm thinking about what you just said"/ a simple cadence device (basically a slightly more articulate "uhmmm")

"No" = response to the question.

I guess in the case of a "yeah no, I agree" the "I heard you"/"I'm thinking"/cadence device function has expanded to be "yeah no" instead of just "yeah", and "I agree" is the actual substance of the reply.

Sheilbh

I say it. I also say the more rare 'no, no' in the same way, not for emphasis. I also have a bad habit of starting sentences with 'no' :blush:
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Tonitrus

"yeah, no" by itself, has the very acidic, patronizing "no" feel about it. 

I've always felt the "yeah, no, I agree" uses the "no" as a kind of emphasis...as if the "yeah" starts as half-hearted agreement, but then the  "no, I agree" part uses the "no" to remove any implied doubt and strengthen the agreement.

It makes little sense, but then it is english.  :P

MadImmortalMan

Quote from: Sheilbh on November 13, 2014, 05:23:17 PM
I say it. I also say the more rare 'no, no' in the same way, not for emphasis. I also have a bad habit of starting sentences with 'no' :blush:

Do you think it's a communication device or just an affectation?

Like when people end a sentence that isn't a question with an upward inflection like a question, they are usually making an assertion. And maybe that question-ey inflection is a way to tone down the aggressive nature of making an assertion.

Does the "no" have a use of that nature or is it just maybe a mental pause like umm or like or one of those things?
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

Tonitrus

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 13, 2014, 05:28:22 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 13, 2014, 05:23:17 PM
I say it. I also say the more rare 'no, no' in the same way, not for emphasis. I also have a bad habit of starting sentences with 'no' :blush:

Do you think it's a communication device or just an affectation?

Like when people end a sentence that isn't a question with an upward inflection like a question, they are usually making an assertion. And maybe that question-ey inflection is a way to tone down the aggressive nature of making an assertion.

Does the "no" have a use of that nature or is it just maybe a mental pause like umm or like or one of those things?

Often I see that also when someone thinks they know/believe something, but are leaving room for doubt and inviting opinion/discussion.

MadImmortalMan

Quote from: Tonitrus on November 13, 2014, 05:24:56 PM

I've always felt the "yeah, no, I agree" uses the "no" as a kind of emphasis...as if the "yeah" starts as half-hearted agreement, but then the  "no, I agree" part uses the "no" to remove any implied doubt and strengthen the agreement.

This makes sense. At least when used during agreement.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

PRC

I say it as well, but i've only noticed this becoming a thing in the past two years.  Don't really recall hearing it before then.

Ed Anger

Still less annoyinging than message board posters using.....

"This"

Lazy young people.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Ed Anger on November 13, 2014, 05:53:05 PM
Still less annoyinging than message board posters using.....

"This"

Lazy young people.

This.

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Ed Anger

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garbon

Thinking about my use of "yeah, no, I agree" I think I tend to use it when someone has been emphatically pushing a point that I agree with and don't need convincing of.

When just "yeah, no" as a sign of disagreement, I'm generally being jokingly condescending.
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Tonitrus

For the simple "yeah, no"....that exists in Russian as well, "da, nyet".  Where the "da" doesn't so much mean "yes" as it does simple acknowledgment of the point/assertion before filing the disagreement.