Apple chief Tim Cook: 'I'm proud to be gay'

[CountDeMoney]

A single person can up and move somewhere else rather easily. Much harder with a family and particularly hard to just give up your income as it'll have direct effects on the QoL for your children.

Debatable.  The QofL for the children isn't always the primary driver.  They go where you take them.  They'll get nothing and like it.

[Valmy]

Why would you marrying have helped out your career?  It certainly has not done great things for me.

Single people are disposable people.

Exactly.  I would think single people have less excuses built in to not work Midnight on Christmas.  Shareholder value!

[Valmy]

I'm pretty sure they aren't supposed to ask.

I generally do not mention it, because frankly I am afraid it might be held against me for some reason.  Like you know 'ah married with kids, probably will not want to work long hours or travel and probably wants more money...NEXT'

Personal details are kept on the down low, I don't know what an individuals little prejudices are. 

[garbon]

A single person can up and move somewhere else rather easily. Much harder with a family and particularly hard to just give up your income as it'll have direct effects on the QoL for your children.

Debatable.  The QofL for the children isn't always the primary driver.  They go where you take them.  They'll get nothing and like it.

Yeah I think you are being whack. I think in general people with families are going to be a bit more stable than Johnny Single who has no ties to the area.

The only downside on family thing is that yeah I think people will think you want to travel and you may take time off here and there for things that come up with your kids.

[Malthus]

SINGLE PRIVILEGE

Came across a study recently that claimed that married men make significantly more money on average than similar single men. Apparently the same applies to women, though the difference is less.

Did the study come to any conclusions as to why?

My own suspicions - being married is associated with earning more because:

1. Married people are more likely to compromise their personal desires for a steady paying job. No more taking a year off to volunteer saving African kids or indulging in a performance art show, or whatever.

2. Married people are less likely to pick up sticks and move on to a new employer, so employers like them

3. Being married is more likely associated with a sociable set of personality traits. Sociability in turn is associated with higher income.   

[CountDeMoney]

Why would you marrying have helped out your career?  It certainly has not done great things for me.

Single people are disposable people.

Exactly.  I would think single people have less excuses built in to not work Midnight on Christmas.  Shareholder value!

Fuck that.  Less excuses?  How about it's my scheduled day off?  Volunteering me to work on holidays so you don't because you have kids makes me 1) hate my employer, and 2) hate your kids.

I was thinking disposable more along the lines of,  "We have to let one of you go.  But Dave has a wife and kids and you don't, soere's your severance.  Enjoy living in your car while Dave lives continues on with the American Dream in a split level foyer with 2 1/2 baths."

[The Minsky Moment]

SINGLE PRIVILEGE

Came across a study recently that claimed that married men make significantly more money on average than similar single men. Apparently the same applies to women, though the difference is less.

Question is - which direction does causality run in?

[derspiess]

We get it, Seedy-- you're a sociopath.  Sheez...

[Martinus]

Why would you marrying have helped out your career?  It certainly has not done great things for me.

Single people are disposable people.

Exactly.  I would think single people have less excuses built in to not work Midnight on Christmas.  Shareholder value!

Fuck that.  Less excuses?  How about it's my scheduled day off?  Volunteering me to work on holidays so you don't because you have kids makes me 1) hate my employer, and 2) hate your kids.

I was thinking disposable more along the lines of,  "We have to let one of you go.  But Dave has a wife and kids and you don't, soere's your severance.  Enjoy living in your car while Dave lives continues on with the American Dream in a split level foyer with 2 1/2 baths."

CdM, my straight (?) brother from a different mother!

[Malthus]

I was thinking disposable more along the lines of,  "We have to let one of you go.  But Dave has a wife and kids and you don't, soere's your severance.  Enjoy living in your car while Dave lives continues on with the American Dream in a split level foyer with 2 1/2 baths."

What's in that decision for the boss? Why should the boss care whether you - or Dave, his wife, and little Timmy - are out on the street?

I'm assuming here the boss isn't motivated by sentimental concerns, but cold, hard shareholder values.

[Martinus]

I was thinking disposable more along the lines of,  "We have to let one of you go.  But Dave has a wife and kids and you don't, soere's your severance.  Enjoy living in your car while Dave lives continues on with the American Dream in a split level foyer with 2 1/2 baths."

What's in that decision for the boss? Why should the boss care whether you - or Dave, his wife, and little Timmy - are out on the street?

I'm assuming here the boss isn't motivated by sentimental concerns, but cold, hard shareholder values.

This is not true in most businesses.

[Valmy]

Fuck that.  Less excuses?  How about it's my scheduled day off?  Volunteering me to work on holidays so you don't because you have kids makes me 1) hate my employer, and 2) hate your kids.

Dude I would never do that.  I would assume refusing to work and use my kids as an excuse would put me in danger as compared to you go-getting single people.

I was thinking disposable more along the lines of,  "We have to let one of you go.  But Dave has a wife and kids and you don't, soere's your severance.  Enjoy living in your car while Dave lives continues on with the American Dream in a split level foyer with 2 1/2 baths."

Yeah I am sure shareholder value's heart just bleeds for the little children of America.

[Valmy]

This is not true in most businesses.

Didn't you yourself say if you knew somebody had kids you would not hire them because they wouldn't work as hard and got advice on how to trick them into admitting this so you can torpedo their employment chances?  Yes you did I remember that.

Believe me I took that to heart.  I have worked hard to keep that from getting out during my job search.

[derspiess]

I'm assuming here the boss isn't motivated by sentimental concerns, but cold, hard shareholder values.

Seedy: cornered.

[CountDeMoney]

I was thinking disposable more along the lines of,  "We have to let one of you go.  But Dave has a wife and kids and you don't, soere's your severance.  Enjoy living in your car while Dave lives continues on with the American Dream in a split level foyer with 2 1/2 baths."

What's in that decision for the boss? Why should the boss care whether you - or Dave, his wife, and little Timmy - are out on the street?

I'm assuming here the boss isn't motivated by sentimental concerns, but cold, hard shareholder values.

The boss has a wife and kids, too.