Soldier shot at National War Memorial in Ottawa

[viper37]

Do we declare war on all left of the center ideology?  Do we forbid all "Green" political parties in Europe?

Wouldn't be the worst thing we've ever done in the West.

probably not
But we still respect difference, so long as it's not violent. This is what we are. 

[crazy canuck]

Do we declare war on all left of the center ideology?  Do we forbid all "Green" political parties in Europe?

Wouldn't be the worst thing we've ever done in the West.

probably not
But we still respect difference, so long as it's not violent. This is what we are. 

[Admiral Yi]

CrazyIvan seems to be leaning in this way too.  And also Viking.

Where has Viking said anything about treatment?

[viper37]

If pointing out the violent, psychotic, and dysfunctional nature of someone's religion turns that person into your enemy, perhaps that's further proof of the violent, psychotic, and dysfunctional nature of that religion.

If we start branding all Christians as lunatics, because some of them bomb abortion clinics and the majority of them are opposed to abortion, what do you think will happen:
a) Christians massively abandon their faith
b) Christians radicalize themselves and we see more lunatics ready to commit murders
?

[Admiral Yi]

If we start branding all Christians as lunatics, because some of them bomb abortion clinics and the majority of them are opposed to abortion, what do you think will happen:
a) Christians massively abandon their faith
b) Christians radicalize themselves and we see more lunatics ready to commit murders
?

Nothing.

[viper37]

Where has Viking said anything about treatment?

Forget about it, I deleted my post.

[Valmy]

If we start branding all Christians as lunatics, because some of them bomb abortion clinics and the majority of them are opposed to abortion, what do you think will happen:
a) Christians massively abandon their faith
b) Christians radicalize themselves and we see more lunatics ready to commit murders
?

We'll pray for you brother Viper37. 

[Razgovory]

CrazyIvan seems to be leaning in this way too.  And also Viking.

Where has Viking said anything about treatment?

Various threads defending whatever Dawkins or Sam Harris says.

[Martinus]

If pointing out the violent, psychotic, and dysfunctional nature of someone's religion turns that person into your enemy, perhaps that's further proof of the violent, psychotic, and dysfunctional nature of that religion.

If we start branding all Christians as lunatics, because some of them bomb abortion clinics and the majority of them are opposed to abortion, what do you think will happen:
a) Christians massively abandon their faith
b) Christians radicalize themselves and we see more lunatics ready to commit murders
?

The problem is statistics like the ones I quoted do not really support the convenient myth that it is just a very small minority of Muslims who are extremists, and the majority are ordinary moderates, no different from your vanilla protestants or catholics.

Whether it is causation or correlation (most muslims in Europe are first or second generation immigrants from shitholes with abysmal cultures), the fact remains that Muslims more than any other religious group in Europe are responsible for a disproportionate amount of hate crimes (whether against Jews, gays or women, frequently originating from their own communities). This is a problem we need to address. I am not saying kill them all or send them all back - but we need to recognise the fact instead of hiding behind multiculti bullshit and start actively assimilating Muslim immigrants by curbing the ability to practice their backwards customs (such as wearing a hijab in a public place) and not allowing them to bring in hate clerics to "educate" their children.

[jimmy olsen]

Terror attack in Queens, or just the Daily Mail?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2805675/Crazed-ax-wielding-man-shot-dead-police-Queens-slashing-one-head-arm-random-attack.html

New York terror fears as crazed hatchet-wielding discharged Navy man with a criminal past slashes Queens cop in the head and another in the arm before being shot dead

    The suspect, identified as Zale Thompson, lunged at police with a hatchet in Queens

    Authorities are investigating whether Thompson was motivated by Islamic terrorists calling for attacks in the US

    An officer was slashed in the head and another one was slashed in the arm before one officer was able to fatally shoot the attacker

    A 29-year-old female bystander was critically injured after being shot by an errant police round and is listed in 'grave' condition
   
    Both officers are being treated and one was listed in critical condition

    Thompson has a criminal record in California and was discharged from the U.S. Navy for misconduct but authorities have not revealed his record nor have they detailed his Naval discharge 

New York police fear that a crazed hatchet attack on four police officers in Jamaica, Queens, today could be linked to terrorism.

Suspect Zale Thompson, 32, pictured in surveillance footage, was shot dead on the scene after slashing one cop in the arm and the other in the head at around without warning about 2pm.

The officer struck in the head was critically injured.

A 29-year-old female bystander a half-a-block away from the attack was critically injured after being shot by an errant police round. She is currently recovering from surgery at Jamaica Hospital and is listed in 'grave' condition. 

Police say they were investigating whether Thompson's attack on the cops was linked to Islamic terrorism. ISIS has urged fighters to launch lone wolf attacks in the United States.

Thompson's Facebook page features a photograph of a man dressed in Middle Eastern garb and a cover photo displaying Arabic writing.

Two attacks in Canada this week by radicalized converts to Islam have killed two Canadian soldiers.

In one, a man ran down two soldiers in his car in Quebec, killing one, before being shot dead.

On Wednesday a convicted felon ambushed a soldier outside Canadian Parliament, fatally wounding him, before running the Parliament building and opening fire.

DNA Info reports that on Thursday afternoon a freelance photographer approached the group of rookie cops and asked to take their photograph.

As the officers were posing for the camera, Thompson charged towards them swinging an 18.5 inch hatchet without uttering a single word.

One 24-year-old officer was slashed in the arm

Another 25-year-old officer was slashed in the back of head and taken to Jamaica Hospital where he is being treated in critical condition, reports CBS.

The two remaining police shot at Thompson who dropped his hatchet then died at the scene.

Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said he's not ruling out terrorism especially in the wake of recent terror attacks in Canada, reports CNN.

'There is nothing we know as of this time that would indicate that were the case. I think certainly the heightened concern is relative to that type of assault based on what just happened in Canada,' said Bratton.

CNN reports that Thompson has a criminal record in California and that he was discharged from the U.S. Navy for misconduct. Details of his criminal record and his misconduct are not known at this time.

His Facebook page says that Thompson graduated from Columbia Teacher's College and that he resides in Queens.

CNN reports that New York police were alerted to be on the lookout for random attacks following Thursday's incident.

DNA Info spoke with witnesses on the scene.

'We heard pop, pop, pop, pop,' said Rafael, 44, who works at Overseas Travel nearby where the incident occurred.

'She was screaming,"'Help me." She couldn't get up,' said Ericka Babb, a medical assistant at Priority Medical Center in Queens.

'We were way too scared,' said Rafael.

Officers say they shot the hatchet-yielding suspect but it's not clear how many rounds were fired.

'It was a completely unprovoked attack,' said NYPD Chief Kim Royster, a department spokeswoman.

Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said during a news conference that all of the police involved are recent graduates of this summer's Police Academy class.

'Three rookie cops, absolutely modest about what happened today and what they did,' de Blasio said.

During the conference Bill De Blasio lauded the officers' training and their fast response to the unprovoked attack.

[Zoupa]

All religions are pretty stupid guys.

They usually mellow out with time, that's all.

I don't think that's exactly fair.  Religion was an attempt to explain the universe at a time before the scientific materialism of the Enlightenment took hold.  Moreover, it is an extremely useful tool for maintaining a social order, especially one with enormous inequalities.  Sure, religious faith in this day and age is a little bit backwards, but even now it still serves a purpose.  Even in the First World, there are plenty of people for whom the empty purposelessness of modern life is filled by religious faith.

If we want to eliminate religion, we're going to have to provide something more compelling than wageslavery.

Yeah, Socialism

[11B4V]

Would you guys please stop shitting on a thread about a terrorist attack on my nation's capital?

It's Languish.org, it's what they do.

[11B4V]

So, much for Canadian gun control.

Perp was allegedly using a long gun, which is legal to purchase in Canada.

And doesn't have to register it.....for some reason   

Not sure what difference that would have made in these circumstances.

"Attacker, shot dead in parliament, was brandishing a registered long gun ..."

Is this social media sourced, bbc reported photo likely to be both real and the suspect?

That is a lever action rifle.

[frunk]

If pointing out the violent, psychotic, and dysfunctional nature of someone's religion turns that person into your enemy, perhaps that's further proof of the violent, psychotic, and dysfunctional nature of that religion.

The comparison he made was Germany:NSDAP :: Islam:terrorists and extremists.  That's a comparison thats saying we should be going to war with the muslim world, not just pointing out defects in a religion.  Germany (Islam) needed to be defeated before the NSDAP (terrorists and extremists) could be rooted out.

[crazy canuck]

Would you guys please stop shitting on a thread about a terrorist attack on my nation's capital?

It's Languish.org, it's what they do.

Far from "shitting on a thread" this thread shows how Canadians have generally responded to the attack.  The only Canadian here who has advocated for treating Muslims as the Other is Grallon.  No need to say more on that point 

To my knowledge no Canadian politician of any stripe has done so.  We understand that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, productive and positive members of our communities.  We also understand that there is a radical element of Islam in the world that needs to be dealt with.  But we Canadians are generally smart enough not to confuse one group with the other.   

I think our response to the attack was best captured by the speech Mulcair gave in the House yesterday in which he made the point that while security was important for Parliament it should still remain a place where the public was welcome.  His point was that we should not give in to terror by closing ourselves off.  He was speaking about our society as much as he was about Parliament.  He received applause from everyone in the House for his comments and politicians of every stripe have echoed his words. 

We will not go down the path of treating our Muslim community as the Other. On Languish we sometimes have debates about what it is to be Canadian.  That is what it means to be Canadian.