Columbia student carrying mattress until school expels her rapist

[Malthus]

Why else would she be carrying a mattress around campus?  Well ok she is getting a grade for some bullshit art project....but still stuff like this is done to influence people's opinions.

I can think of a number of legitimate reasons and quite a few bullshit reasons she would be carrying a mattress around campus.  But she hasn't expressed a single criticism of the rape statutes as they are written.

grabon: she has nice legs.

According to her interview, her biggest complaint is that the University won't reopen her case and come to the "correct" verdict.

She still thinks that university complaints are the way to go, rather than the cops - because they are more likely to have "progressive" people. Not sure how that squares with them rejecting her complaint.

In my case, the biggest problem is there is no retroactive motion to open closed cases and to get our rapists off campus, which would be admitting that they've done wrong, which is what they need to do right now.

Do you think that the college is capable of handling these cases?
I do. The police don't seem very well equipped either. It is going to take an administration that is willing to admit that they have done wrong, and make real tangible changes. I think administrations are actually in a better place to make these changes than the police right now.

How so?
I feel like it would take that much longer for [the police to] change, but the universities are filled with people who are progressive thinkers, and who can come up with creative strategies to solve these problems. We have so many intelligent students who think about and care about this issue way more than any of the administration.

[Neil]

The rule of law includes activism to influence the lawmakers to change the laws.

She's not doing that.

Why else would she be carrying a mattress around campus?  Well ok she is getting a grade for some bullshit art project....but still stuff like this is done to influence people's opinions.

I don't think that the mere accusation of wrongdoing is ever going to be enough to jail or expel a student, no matter how many opinions she changes.

[Valmy]

I don't think that the mere accusation of wrongdoing is ever going to be enough to jail or expel a student, no matter how many opinions she changes.

Yep.  That is why I think it is mostly an activist thing.  Well and a grade thing.

[Darth Wagtaros]

I've read horror stories about Universities handling violent crime in house instead of encouraging students to go to the cops.

[alfred russel]

she has nice legs.

She isn't that cute, but she is okay. Not worth a ton of effort, but say she was carrying a mattress around with her....

[Legbiter]

she has nice legs.

She isn't that cute, but she is okay. Not worth a ton of effort, but say she was carrying a mattress around with her....

Forget her, I'd grab the mattress and send pics to her of the mattress living it up in various locations around the world. 

[grumbler]

Why else would she be carrying a mattress around campus?  Well ok she is getting a grade for some bullshit art project....but still stuff like this is done to influence people's opinions.

She doesn't want the law changed, just the verdict.  Its a form of blackmail.  It seems to me she's trying to "shame" the university into abandoning its procedurally-derived result and impose an expulsion by fiat.

[grumbler]

As an aside, she is a shitty ad for the value of a Colombia education.  She is arguing for either an infinite process of appealing to reverse every decision that one of the involved parties does not like or else she is arguing that she deserves a special rule just for her.

[derspiess]

she has nice legs.

She isn't that cute, but she is okay. Not worth a ton of effort, but say she was carrying a mattress around with her....

Forget her, I'd grab the mattress and send pics to her of the mattress living it up in various locations around the world. 

That would only work in her favor. She'd get more attention for herself, campus activists would hold candlelight vigils for the mattress, and she might even receive a call from the President. Not to mention the #bringbackourmattresses hashtag.

[Legbiter]

She's not after anything logical except maybe an easy grade and SJW attention. It's all about the drama and me me me.

[DGuller]

Looking at the bright side, I'm sure that after this process she'll be strong enough to repel any future rape attempt.

[Caliga]

As an aside, she is a shitty ad for the value of a Colombia education.  She is arguing for either an infinite process of appealing to reverse every decision that one of the involved parties does not like or else she is arguing that she deserves a special rule just for her.

"Now Lisa, if things don't go your way, just keep complaining and complaining until your dreams come true."

[viper37]

I sort of wanted to avoid rehashing this old argument.  I know that by the modern definition a drunk person is unable to give consent.  I've had sex while drunk and/or stoned.  Does that mean I've been assaulted?  I think that's silly.

Should cold-fishing a passed out girl be considered assault?  Sure.

Can drunk women want to have sex too?  Of course.

Imho, the difference is between drunk and totally passed out.

A girl gets drunk, has unprotected sex, wakes up the morning after, doesn't like the guy and decides to call it rape because she wasn't entirely herself.  Imho, that is not rape.  That is not an excuse to get yourself out of a bad situation, just like "I was drunk" is not an excuse for smoking crack or driving your car and hitting something/someone.  Except in Toronto, maybe, but that's another story

However, if a girl gets drunk/stoned to the point she's passed out, even if that is self induced, that is rape to me.  She clearly can't give consent in that case.

And those girls taking GHB before going out, because it's cool and cheaper than drinking a lot... I think they deserved what they got. 

That being said, I don't know enough about the case to know if it was a rape or not.

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On the other subject: University intervention.  If a rape happenned at a work place, would the employer fire the employee?  I think so.  Why should it be different for a university?  Maybe clarify the policies of the campus: if you're accused of commiting a criminal act on campus, you are suspended from school.
If the crime was vandalizing the science faculty, I'm pretty sure the university would expel the studend.  Why should it be different for crimes against people?

[Razgovory]

I've a minor quibble regarding the bit in bold. If someone was raped and process ended with rapist getting away with it, are they expected to accept the results of the process?

Yes.  That's part of the rule of law.  One cannot only accept the rulings that one agrees with.  Vigilantiism is frowned upon.

Oh well that's a whole different thing entirely. Where's this vigilantism bit coming from? It is possible to not accept the result of a process and yet not become a vigilante, no?

Actually, not so much.  You have to accept that they are walking around free and unpunished.  If you try to do anything about it you are likely to be committing a crime.  You really shouldn't be stalking them, or harassing them, or refusing them service or attacking them or whatever.

[viper37]

Well I guess it depends on whether or not the woman you know wanted to be passed around. If she did then no, not rape.

It doesn't depend on it.  Once a person is drunk, they are not adult humans anymore, and have no wants or desires.

You drink.  A lot.  You drive.  You have an accident.  You killed someone.
Not guilty of any crime other than driving drunk because you had not the desire to kill?

You drink windshield washer fluid.  You kill your 2 kids with a knife. 
Not guilty because you weren't yourself?

You smoke pot.  You kill your roommate because you think he's a demon.
Not guilty because you weren't yourself?