Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Threviel]

The US has about 3500 Abrams in storage and a running production line.

Easiest for everyone would be if 500 or so were shipped to Ukraine.

[The Larch]

The US has about 3500 Abrams in storage and a running production line.

Easiest for everyone would be if 500 or so were shipped to Ukraine.

That's possibly the most complicated choice logistically speaking, not to mention the possible political complications. AFAIK the US is only now starting to send vehicles to Ukraine with the Bradleys that have been announced.

[Threviel]

Huh? A singular type is always preferable to a smattering of wildly different tanks I would assume. 

Challenger would be the odd one out with its weird ammo and few numbers. Better than nothing, but worse than Leopard/Abrams. It can boil tea at least.

[The Larch]

Huh? A singular type is always preferable to a smattering of wildly different tanks I would assume. 

I meant actually transporting them to Ukraine.

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[Barrister]

Nothing indicates that the Ukrainians differ very much in  tactics, their casualties are not zero. This is not a turkey shoot.

This seems to be very much incorrect.

Of course the Ukrainians are taking heavy casualties.  The Russians are throwing everything they can at them.

But the "battle" of Kherson should show you exactly how Ukraine's tactics differ.  Ukraine's strategy, knowing Russian is a much larger country, has been to wear down their ability to fight by targeting ammo, food, fuel and other supplies, often at a distance where possible. 

Russia's strategy seems to be one of frontal assaults.

But by using their own tactics the Ukrainians managed to force the Russians to abandon Kherson, and the Ukrainians retake it, without any fixed battle.

[HVC]

Huh? A singular type is always preferable to a smattering of wildly different tanks I would assume. 

Challenger would be the odd one out with its weird ammo and few numbers. Better than nothing, but worse than Leopard/Abrams. It can boil tea at least.

It's in your own backyard, and you have tanks, why rely on the US?

[Sheilbh]

Apparently Ukraine is aiming at receiving 300 tanks, the UK (which apparently only has 200+ tanks in total) giving a few is seen as a way to nudge others, mostly Germany, to donate their fair share.

We'll see if it happens - apparently its been studied since autumn. I think as much as nudging it's about providing cover for sending that type of weapon. I think Germany doesn't want to go first and doesn't want to be alone on any part of providing arms to Ukraine.

As you say, logistically maintaining, arming and operating all of these different systems must be an absolute nightmare for the Ukrainians - but breaching the taboo of providing western heavy armour is, I think good, and I'm sure the Ukrainians will get some use out of them.

I suppose the other slight benefit is it would be easy to add into the UK-based training of Ukrainian forces.

[Zanza]

Does Germany actually have a significant amount of Leo 2 panzers? 

[Sheilbh]

Does Germany actually have a significant amount of Leo 2 panzers? 

Isn't it more that Germany holds the export license for them?

Germany can provide some but also authorise other countries to provide theirs too.

[viper37]

Belarus Legalizes Piracy of Movies, Music & Software of 'Unfriendly' Nations

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[Threviel]

Does Germany actually have a significant amount of Leo 2 panzers? 

From what I can find there are around 1300 in existence, Germany has 2-300.

I cannot find data on eventual mothballed Leopards.

[Admiral Yi]

Belarus Legalizes Piracy of Movies, Music & Software of 'Unfriendly' Nations

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Next up, Belarus legalizes track suits and vodka.

[Zanza]

Does Germany actually have a significant amount of Leo 2 panzers? 

From what I can find there are around 1300 in existence, Germany has 2-300.

I cannot find data on eventual mothballed Leopards.

According to Wiki, a total of 3600 were built. So maybe there are some still in storage somewhere?

[Duque de Bragança]

Does Germany actually have a significant amount of Leo 2 panzers? 

From what I can find there are around 1300 in existence, Germany has 2-300.

I cannot find data on eventual mothballed Leopards.

According to Wiki, a total of 3600 were built. So maybe there are some still in storage somewhere?

Lots of them, specially the older versions, were given or sold for cheap to other nations, I think.
At least, that's the way Portugal got some of them, through the Netherlands first though.