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Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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The Larch

Quote from: Sheilbh on February 15, 2022, 12:09:24 PM
Quote from: The Larch on February 15, 2022, 12:04:58 PM
Well, I think that we can say that Scholz has some serious testicular fortitude, at the very least.  :lol:
Yes - and good on him for calling out the difference between this and Kosovo. Kosovo was to prevent a possible genocide (although Putin added that their view of what's happening in Donbass is that it's genocide).

Yes, Putin mentioned that there were "human rights violations" in Eastern Ukraine, but AFAIK without saying exactly what he means by that.

Tamas

Quote from: The Larch on February 15, 2022, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 15, 2022, 12:09:24 PM
Quote from: The Larch on February 15, 2022, 12:04:58 PM
Well, I think that we can say that Scholz has some serious testicular fortitude, at the very least.  :lol:
Yes - and good on him for calling out the difference between this and Kosovo. Kosovo was to prevent a possible genocide (although Putin added that their view of what's happening in Donbass is that it's genocide).

Yes, Putin mentioned that there were "human rights violations" in Eastern Ukraine, but AFAIK without saying exactly what he means by that.

The script is still being written.

DGuller

The US intelligence is now exposing Zero Hedge as a tool of FSB?  No way!!! :o

Habbaku

Quote from: DGuller on February 15, 2022, 12:55:15 PM
The US intelligence is now exposing Zero Hedge as a tool of FSB?  No way!!! :o

Wow, next they'll tell us RT is propaganda!
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celedhring

So, the overcompensating table Putin deployed against Macron was built in Spain. There's this company in Valencia that supplied furniture for the Kremlin for many years.

The Larch

Quote from: celedhring on February 15, 2022, 01:17:39 PM
So, the overcompensating table Putin deployed against Macron was built in Spain. There's this company in Valencia that supplied furniture for the Kremlin for many years.

Apparently there's also an Italian company claiming that they were the ones who built the table.  :lol:

Sheilbh

Imagine arguing to take credit for those decor choices :o :blink:
Let's bomb Russia!


Tamas

Quote@CBSDavidMartin reporting US can see Russia units moving out of assembly areas toward the Ukraine border; it looks like Russian military uncoiling in preparation for an invasion

Sheilbh

Biden's remarks also don't sound like someone who thinks things are de-escalating :(
Let's bomb Russia!

mongers

So 'we' moving from a war scare to watching from the sidelines as a major war breaks out?

Unsettling that this is so timetabled, or perhaps in this information age facts on the ground as available to all and so typically we won't be surprised by a state attacking another.
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Berkut

If war does break out, I think the US should publish real time satellite intell on all Russian movements, as they happen.

If nothing else, the psychology of it would be delicious - Russian soldiers knowing that their movement are being broadcast to the world, as it happens, including to their enemies.
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Jacob

Apparently (and unsurprisingly) Ukrainian government and civil institutions (dep't of defense, several major banks) have been subjected to (are still under?) massive cyber attacks.

Berkut

Quote from: Jacob on February 15, 2022, 04:54:42 PM
Apparently (and unsurprisingly) Ukrainian government institutions have been subjected to (are still under?) massive cyber attacks.

One can make a reasonable argument that that is, in fact, the onset of war...
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Tamas

QuoteCyberattacks on Ukraine reported today likely affected Ukraine's military, energy, and other key systems according to recently declassified US intelligence, reports the Washington Post.

Russian government hackers have likely broadly penetrated Ukrainian military, energy and other critical computer networks to collect intelligence and position themselves potentially to disrupt those systems should Russia launch a military assault on Ukraine, according to newly declassified U.S. intelligence.

Moscow could seek to disrupt Ukrainian entities that provide critical services such as electricity, transportation, finance and telecommunications — either to support military operations or to sow panic in an attempt to destabilize the country, according to a senior administration official who described the intelligence.

The U.S. government has determined only that Russia could undertake disruptive cyber-activity, not that it will, said the official, who like several others spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter's sensitivity. "We don't know that they have intention to do so," the official said. "But we have been working with Ukraine to strengthen their cyberdefenses."