Staind singer stops concert to demand audience members stop ‘molesting’ teen

[Caliga]

Why would you tense up?  I love the blacks.

[Valmy]

According to this RadFem blog... all PIV sex is rape: http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/

Bleh.  I've been hearing that line since my freshman political science class in 1991.

Yeah this is pretty old school stuff.  I admit I had not heard it in a long time.

Feminism is the radical notion that women are human beings....and that a penis going into a vagina is always rape....depending on who you talk to.

[Admiral Yi]

From Valmy's post I'm guessing it was chiding men for not being chivalrous enough when women are being harassed or something.  I don't see that happening much these days wherever I am, but I guess I'm in my bubble. 

He's saying men have an obligation to make women who are out in public feel unthreatened.

Sounds to me like a carefully considered attempt to fit a rationale to the premise that all men are guilty of being men.

And, simultaneously, tryiing to nail a lot of feminist tail.

[Valmy]

And, simultaneously, tryiing to nail a lot of feminist tail.

Ah the old White Knight thingy.  Well he is going to be disappointed, all PIV sex is rape.

He's saying men have an obligation to make women who are out in public feel unthreatened.

Sounds to me like a carefully considered attempt to fit a rationale to the premise that all men are guilty of being men.

I didn't really get that.  Just that here are some things you should do socially to help with sexual violence and shit in our society.

[Ideologue]

Actually, on reflection, I can see the intellectual framework.  Her word choice and focus on fucking and specifically internal cumshots indicates a certain perversity, but we all have our kinks, but there's sort of a defensible idea, if you assume the can opener--that is the threat or perception of the threat of force is inherent in any male-female sexual coupling.

Of course, if you assume that, any male-female relationship is appeasement (and probably prostitution), all male-male relationships must also be based on force, and perhaps all female-female relationships likewise.  It's a pretty nihilistic wordview.  It's also easily disproved by most relationships except employer-employee relationships, which are transactional and leveraged, and not dissimilar to rape when you think about it.

[Ideologue]

Why would you tense up?  I love the blacks.

I actually tense up a bit whenever I pass anyone on the street, black, white, male, female.  I'm very mildly agoraphobic.

[derspiess]

He's saying men have an obligation to make women who are out in public feel unthreatened.

Sounds like a neo-Patriarchal notion. 

Sounds to me like a carefully considered attempt to fit a rationale to the premise that all men are guilty of being men.

And, simultaneously, tryiing to nail a lot of feminist tail.

Yeah, I get the feeling most guys who try that route end up getting friendzoned. 

[Malthus]

Actually, on reflection, I can see the intellectual framework.  Her word choice and focus on fucking and specifically internal cumshots indicates a certain perversity, but we all have our kinks, but there's sort of a defensible idea, if you assume the can opener--that is the threat or perception of the threat of force is inherent in any male-female sexual coupling.

Of course, if you assume that, any male-female relationship is appeasement (and probably prostitution), all male-male relationships must also be based on force, and perhaps all female-female relationships likewise.  It's a pretty nihilistic wordview.

... or, everything is permitted. Do as thou wilt be the whole of the law.

Hell, if all sex is rape, and maybe everything else is too, the only possible conclusion is that rape isn't actually wrong.

[Malthus]

He's saying men have an obligation to make women who are out in public feel unthreatened.

Sounds like a neo-Patriarchal notion. 

Sounds to me like a carefully considered attempt to fit a rationale to the premise that all men are guilty of being men.

And, simultaneously, tryiing to nail a lot of feminist tail.

Yeah, I get the feeling most guys who try that route end up getting friendzoned.

Anyone who tries to pretend sympathy with another to somehow fool them into sex deserves to be.

[Jacob]

Ah the old White Knight thingy.  Well he is going to be disappointed, all PIV sex is rape.

What about PIM or PIA?

[Ideologue]

Friend zone is a misogynist term now.  Also I don't think it's a real thing.  I do think women, having the same cognitive abilities as men, are capable of determining whether they would fuck someone within seconds, it's only that most of the time people don't change their minds on that, and having a preexisting relationship (and web of relationships, including other friends) and the potential for disintegrating that web with romance makes the prospect less appealing.  These combine to give the illusion of some kind of fuck ladder and friend ladder.  But anyway I've fucked people I've known for years.  I assume this is the case for many, if not most, people?

[Ideologue]

Ah the old White Knight thingy.  Well he is going to be disappointed, all PIV sex is rape.

What about PIM or PIA?

That's really the most confusing thing about it.

[Jacob]

Anyone who tries to pretend sympathy with another to somehow fool them into sex deserves to be.

I did not get that from the article. The "white knight trying to get laid" charge seems more of a cheap ad hominem to me, in this case and more generally.

[derspiess]

Friend zone is a misogynist term now.  Also I don't think it's a real thing.  I do think women, having the same cognitive abilities as men, are capable of determining whether they would fuck someone within seconds, it's only that most of the time people don't change their minds on that, and having a preexisting relationship (and web of relationships, including other friends) and the potential for disintegrating that web with romance makes the prospect less appealing.  These combine to give the illusion of some kind of fuck ladder and friend ladder.  But anyway I've fucked people I've known for years.  I assume this is the case for many, if not most, people?

Maybe I don't understand the term, then.  And you totally lost me about 2/3 the way through.

[Jacob]

Friend zone is a misogynist term now. 

I think this is a result of misogynists having used the term prolifically to expound on and justify their world views. Tainted by association, basically.