Senate GOP seizes control in political coup

[Ed Anger]

Does anyone have any idea why they did this?

To make sure fags can't marry. Doh.

Totally worth it then.

[Vince]

It seems that Golisano was behind the move.  He has been pressuring NYS government to reform. It appears he kicked it up a notch.

Golisano should have run for Governor on the GOP label when he had the chance. 

[Berkut]

It seems that Golisano was behind the move.  He has been pressuring NYS government to reform. It appears he kicked it up a notch.

Golisano should have run for Governor on the GOP label when he had the chance. 

I like the fact that he is willing to put his (considerable) money where his mouth is and try to effect some change. It probably won't work, since there are too many people too invested in the disaster of a system that New York State has become (just look at Strix and his love affair with unions and he is a die hard Conservative! as an example) to ever really have real change.

The future of New York is going to be as a pseudo European style socialist state, where upstate is a economic disaster supported by the engine of New York City - and when something happens that threatens that cash cow (like what is going on now) we will have crisis because we can't afford the spending promised during the last boom cycle.

[KRonn]

It seems that Golisano was behind the move.  He has been pressuring NYS government to reform. It appears he kicked it up a notch.

Golisano should have run for Governor on the GOP label when he had the chance. 

I like the fact that he is willing to put his (considerable) money where his mouth is and try to effect some change. It probably won't work, since there are too many people too invested in the disaster of a system that New York State has become (just look at Strix and his love affair with unions and he is a die hard Conservative! as an example) to ever really have real change.

The future of New York is going to be as a pseudo European style socialist state, where upstate is a economic disaster supported by the engine of New York City - and when something happens that threatens that cash cow (like what is going on now) we will have crisis because we can't afford the spending promised during the last boom cycle.

That is such a cynical view of things!  Heh, but I feel the same for Massachusetts. Real reform is needed. Legislators and the Governor are even talking it well about reform, especially given the ex-speaker's indictment on serious charges, along with several business people and lobbyists. State needs ethics reform and reform in the way things are done with pensions, health care. Many of the State's Authorities, Mass Turnpike, MBTA (Transit system) are losing money, lots of it. I look at California and that seems the logical outcome of out of control State government. I would have hoped that things would be resolved before a State ever became that bad off, but it doesn't happen. Too many entrenched interests, too many players, too much money andtoo much going on to fix things.

[Valmy]

The future of New York is going to be as a pseudo European style socialist state, where upstate is a economic disaster supported by the engine of New York City - and when something happens that threatens that cash cow (like what is going on now) we will have crisis because we can't afford the spending promised during the last boom cycle.

Speaking of New York City has there been any sort of resolution to disastrous MTA funding problem?

[Vince]

I like the fact that he is willing to put his (considerable) money where his mouth is and try to effect some change. It probably won't work, since there are too many people too invested in the disaster of a system that New York State has become (just look at Strix and his love affair with unions and he is a die hard Conservative! as an example) to ever really have real change.

The future of New York is going to be as a pseudo European style socialist state, where upstate is a economic disaster supported by the engine of New York City - and when something happens that threatens that cash cow (like what is going on now) we will have crisis because we can't afford the spending promised during the last boom cycle.

I've always felt the two keys for improving the economy of Upstate NY are lowering taxes and breaking the National Grid monopoly.  Neither of which I see a bloody chance of happening.

[Strix]

I like the fact that he is willing to put his (considerable) money where his mouth is and try to effect some change. It probably won't work, since there are too many people too invested in the disaster of a system that New York State has become (just look at Strix and his love affair with unions and he is a die hard Conservative! as an example) to ever really have real change.

The future of New York is going to be as a pseudo European style socialist state, where upstate is a economic disaster supported by the engine of New York City - and when something happens that threatens that cash cow (like what is going on now) we will have crisis because we can't afford the spending promised during the last boom cycle.

Gotta love the Democrats!

[Admiral Yi]

I've always felt the two keys for improving the economy of Upstate NY are lowering taxes and breaking the National Grid monopoly.  Neither of which I see a bloody chance of happening.

How about a huge surge in apple demand?

What's the National Grid?  Local utility?

[Faeelin]

Does anyone have any idea why they did this?

To make sure fags can't marry. Doh.

Ya know Marti, even I am getting tired of your effort to drag this into every topic. This had nothing to do with it.

[garbon]

Gotta love the Democrats!

And people like you who profit from their antics!

[Berkut]

The Dem majority leader is claiming he gaveled the session closed before the vote, so he is still Majority Leader, and still in charge, and it is his call when the legislature goes back into session.

What a circus.

There does seem to be little doubt that the two Dems in question are complete scum. I wonder how much they deviate from the norm though in state politics?

[DGuller]

Does anyone have any idea why they did this?

To make sure fags can't marry. Doh.

Ya know Marti, even I am getting tired of your effort to drag this into every topic. This had nothing to do with it.

Actually, he may be the broken clock during one of those two times in a day.  One of the reasons I've read for one of the senators was that the move was in protest of gay marriage thing.

[The Brain]

I don't fully understand. Aren't the senators there as individuals? Even in Sweden representatives get their seats as individuals and while the voters and their party can yell and curse they are free to vote anyway they want. I'm sure the guys in question are scum, but this move in itself doesn't seem scummish.

[alfred russel]

If two people that call themselves democrats lose faith in the current leadership, they are free to vote for new leadership. We don't have enforced party discipline in this country. Now if they switched because they were bribed, then I agree with you.

What do you consider a "bribe" in this case?

Cash or something similar to cash (like a job for them, or a job for a family member). Then there are gray areas, such as committee assignments, campaign contributions, etc.

[Vince]

How about a huge surge in apple demand?

What's the National Grid?  Local utility?

Either that or they figure out a profitable way to export snow.   

Yeah National Grid (formerly Niagara Mohawk) is the utility company.