UKIP poster boy is a racist immigrant, film at 11

[Tamas]

Well, obviously

[Ed Anger]

Well, obviously

here. let this manly American give you a hug.



*checks wallet*

[derspiess]

You sound butthurt and sad.

Lol beethurt.

[Sheilbh]

Your "not really" and the observation that it takes entire departments or external consultants to make it happen doesn't really fit together.

It isn't really tough if you know your way around the system and can be arsed with all the admin, which is why you've got specialists.

It's very difficult for people to do on their own - but then they're not expats. If their company is wanting them moved and willing to sponsor them then it really isn't.

A visa or a work permit? The former is usually fairly easy to get, the latter is what makes it complicated and tedious.

Well they weren't sending her there for a holiday

[Ed Anger]

You sound butthurt and sad.

Lol beethurt.

I was resisting that joke.

[Barrister]

eg. currently you "just" need to remotely convince a company in Canada to offer you a contract, THEN they can go about doing the paperwork about your necessity and whatnot. That's fairly easy compared to something like the USA where there is an elaborate set of rules (like the hopeful employer must first advertise country-wide and then use that as a proof in its paperwork that there is indeed no US citizen capable to do what the poor foreigner would do, etc) making sure the only immigrants they get are illegal Mexicans.

No, Canada has a very similar program where an employer attempting to hire someone from overseas (who doesn't already have permission to work in Canada) has to do a labour market survey showing that they can't find any person in Canada for such a position.

[Martinus]

Apparently the Polish Europe minister was on Newsnight to tell Cameron to fuck off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX906tkzISM&index=2&list=PLJxnQXiytA_QQBr87SIOSjsZjpyfw92Dg

[Martinus]

eg. currently you "just" need to remotely convince a company in Canada to offer you a contract, THEN they can go about doing the paperwork about your necessity and whatnot. That's fairly easy compared to something like the USA where there is an elaborate set of rules (like the hopeful employer must first advertise country-wide and then use that as a proof in its paperwork that there is indeed no US citizen capable to do what the poor foreigner would do, etc) making sure the only immigrants they get are illegal Mexicans.

No, Canada has a very similar program where an employer attempting to hire someone from overseas (who doesn't already have permission to work in Canada) has to do a labour market survey showing that they can't find any person in Canada for such a position.

Poland has it too. I think it is pretty standard.

[Sheilbh]

Apparently the Polish Europe minister was on Newsnight to tell Cameron to fuck off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX906tkzISM&index=2&list=PLJxnQXiytA_QQBr87SIOSjsZjpyfw92Dg

That's very helpful for Cameron. If no-one in Europe got angry about it, his opponents could easily say his he wasn't trying to change anything that mattered.

[Zanza]

Your "not really" and the observation that it takes entire departments or external consultants to make it happen doesn't really fit together.

It isn't really tough if you know your way around the system and can be arsed with all the admin, which is why you've got specialists.

It's very difficult for people to do on their own - but then they're not expats. If their company is wanting them moved and willing to sponsor them then it really isn't.

Maybe you should reread Tyr's original point then. Because he - unlike you - wasn't talking about about expats, but about doing it on their own. So your whole counterargument about how specialized departments in multinational companies can do it doesn't have any relevance to his original point. When you are on your own, finding a job in an EEA country is magnitudes easier than doing the same outside the EEA. Thanks to freedom of movement.

[Josquius]

I think we're looking at a different definition of expat here.
You two are saying it is more line with transferee/mission whilst I just mean it as someone who works abroad without intending it to be a permanent move.

But yes. Otherwise what Zanza said.
It certainly isn't impossible to bring in non-Europeans but often it is enough of a hassle that companies don't bother and just go with an easier to hire European.

[garbon]

I don't think expat says anything about whether move is temporary or permanent, nor whether it is part of a company move for not. To me, if you said expat assignment then that would typically suggest both non-permanent and as part of company move.

[Jacob]

Yeah, I'm with garbon here.

An expat is someone who lives in a foreign (to them) country for some reason other than a long vacation, but who isn't immigrating there (for whatever reasons).

If you go to Korea to teach English, you're an expat. If your promotion to VP Logistics (Asia) means you have to go live in Shanghai you're an expat (if you're not Chinese), if you apply to and get a highly paid banking job in Hong Kong (and you're not from there) you're an expat, and if you buy a sweet beach cottage and collect your pension in Costa Rica, you're also an expat.

[The Brain]

Is expat a kind of small boat?

[Martinus]

Is expat a kind of small boat?

We need Neil to barge in.