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[grumbler]

I read a post elsewhere from someone local to Nevada, and that person claimed that cattle ranching in that area is growing increasingly less economically viable in large part due to decreasing rainfall.

It wasn't a for or against argument, but merely a note that cattle ranching is under increasing economic pressure in that part of Nevada (or perhaps the whole state?)

There has been a drought (which further limits the number of head of cattle any given acreage can support, whether the land is under BLM control or not), but I don't think that this is seen as a trend so permanent as to call it "increasingly less viable."  The problem is that ranchers would obviously rather over-graze land they rent than land they own, so federal lands are more subject to abuse than private land.

[Norgy]

The fact that cattle ranching is one of the most damaging activities to the climate doesn't strike home, I suppose. Once again, napalm. Lots of it.

[grumbler]

The fact that cattle ranching is one of the most damaging activities to the climate doesn't strike home, I suppose. 

I suppose not.  After all, mankind has only been raising domesticated cattle for ten thousand years or so, and already cattle ranching has wiped out the human race four or five times.

Once again, napalm. Lots of it.

Because napalm is not "one of the most damaging activities to the climate"...

[Barrister]

The fact that cattle ranching is one of the most damaging activities to the climate doesn't strike home, I suppose. Once again, napalm. Lots of it.

To be fair, cattle ranching is the viable only economic activity on marginal land like in Nevada, or Alberta.

[Jacob]

There has been a drought (which further limits the number of head of cattle any given acreage can support, whether the land is under BLM control or not), but I don't think that this is seen as a trend so permanent as to call it "increasingly less viable."  The problem is that ranchers would obviously rather over-graze land they rent than land they own, so federal lands are more subject to abuse than private land.

The person in question was claiming that it was seen as a trend. That, of course, could be simple rancher grousing; or it could simply be wrong.

[Norgy]

Make no mistake, I don't want cattle ranching, nor any other livestock farming to end.
But the CO2 emissions from especially cattle play some part in greenhouse gas composition. Drilling for oil and oil extraction obviously is the number one culprit along with CO2 emissions from cars. My own country is in a bit of a pickle. For most households, hydroelectric power and renewables are enough. However, our continental shelf is full of oil and natural gas, and our economy is basically built on oil money. We're a Kuwait in Scandiweenia.

So while we may formally be against climate change per se, we have very little incentive to be part of the solution. Statoil is deeply involved in shale and oil sand in Canada. And it's owned by the state.

Napalm burns out faster than cows do, by the way. 

[Zanza]

Eh, why does the DoD own part of the Missouri River...? 

[Norgy]

The fact that cattle ranching is one of the most damaging activities to the climate doesn't strike home, I suppose. Once again, napalm. Lots of it.

To be fair, cattle ranching is the viable only economic activity on marginal land like in Nevada, or Alberta.

Plains, right? Poor soil and not great weather conditions either.
Compare that to say Brazil where they chop down ages old rainforest to clear land for grazing. That's the kind of activity I really had in mind.

[Barrister]

The fact that cattle ranching is one of the most damaging activities to the climate doesn't strike home, I suppose. Once again, napalm. Lots of it.

To be fair, cattle ranching is the viable only economic activity on marginal land like in Nevada, or Alberta.

Plains, right? Poor soil and not great weather conditions either.
Compare that to say Brazil where they chop down ages old rainforest to clear land for grazing. That's the kind of activity I really had in mind.

Soil is okay, it's lack of rainfall that makes in unsuitable to grain.

[Norgy]

I actually didn't know southern Canada was that dry. Learn something new every day, I suppose.

[Maximus]

I suppose not.  After all, mankind has only been raising domesticated cattle for ten thousand years or so, and already cattle ranching has wiped out the human race four or five times.

Seven thousand years ago the region that is now the Sahara was covered with herds of cattle, sheep and goats. Northern and Western Europe was a great forest.

I don't know whether there is a cause and effect relationship there, but having seen first-hand what effect cattle have on bush land after just 10-15 years I can make some good guesses.

[Razgovory]

I feel sorry for you, Raz

Grumbler is gonna rip him a new one. Which should be entertaining.

Sorry to disappoint, but homie stopped playing that game long ago.  Raz does enough damage to himself by posting what he thinks are clever comments.  He doesn't need me when he wants a new asshole ripped, he just has to post.

So did you ever work in a theater, cause you got projecting down pat.

[Razgovory]

I feel sorry for you, Raz

I love my country, I don't see it as a necessary evil.

[derspiess]

I love my country, I don't see it as a necessary evil.

Wow.  So to you your country = a very large federal government?  Not so much the people?

[Jacob]

I love my country, I don't see it as a necessary evil.

Wow.  So to you your country = a very large federal government?  Not so much the people?

He said he doesn't see the government as a necessary evil, I thought. That's different from "country = very large federal government".

Also, presumably in a representational democracy, the government represents the people and the country. It's supposed to be of the people, for the people, no?