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Were heavy tanks worth the cost in WWII?

Started by Razgovory, March 24, 2014, 11:23:18 AM

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Norgy

With the devil? Along with Johnny Cash?

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Quote from: Caliga on March 28, 2014, 03:59:08 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 28, 2014, 03:45:48 PM
I got to see the lone surviving T28 monstrosity at Ft. Knox 20 (!) years ago.  Big and ugly-- reminded me of some Soviet vehicle.
They took it from us and sent it down to Georgia. :mad:

Is that the one at Benning?
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derspiess

Quote from: Caliga on March 28, 2014, 03:59:08 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 28, 2014, 03:45:48 PM
I got to see the lone surviving T28 monstrosity at Ft. Knox 20 (!) years ago.  Big and ugly-- reminded me of some Soviet vehicle.
They took it from us and sent it down to Georgia. :mad:

Yeah, I know.  That was a pretty cool museum. 
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derspiess

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Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: PDH on March 28, 2014, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 28, 2014, 04:19:40 PM
When did Johnny Cash go to Georgia?  :hmm:

When he was counting Pz IIIs

He shot a Pz III Ausf G in Tblisi, just to watch it burn.

Razgovory

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 28, 2014, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 28, 2014, 11:38:07 AM
That's impressive considering that that M3s only served front line duty for a short time.

The M3 was a key component of the British 14th Army's armored units in the CBI theater for virtually the entire war.  It was also used heavily by the Soviets from the start of Lend-Lease through mid-43.

Mid 1943 was pretty much when the US phased it out as well.  I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that that the British used them in Burma.  That theater was equipped with hand-me-downs.  Even a poor tank is better then nothing.
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Norgy


Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: Razgovory on March 28, 2014, 05:18:40 PM
Mid 1943 was pretty much when the US phased it out as well.  I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that that the British used them in Burma.  That theater was equipped with hand-me-downs.  Even a poor tank is better then nothing.

December '41 through mid-43 is not what I would classify as "a short time".

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Quote from: Razgovory on March 28, 2014, 05:18:40 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 28, 2014, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 28, 2014, 11:38:07 AM
That's impressive considering that that M3s only served front line duty for a short time.

The M3 was a key component of the British 14th Army's armored units in the CBI theater for virtually the entire war.  It was also used heavily by the Soviets from the start of Lend-Lease through mid-43.

Mid 1943 was pretty much when the US phased it out as well.  I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that that the British used them in Burma.  That theater was equipped with hand-me-downs.  Even a poor tank is better then nothing.

You didn't need anything fancy against the nips. Their tanks were made from sardine cans.
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Norgy

Order up a #46 with Ode Wingate and extra Chindit, and you'd have a nice Nip-stuffing combo.

Razgovory

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 28, 2014, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 28, 2014, 05:18:40 PM
Mid 1943 was pretty much when the US phased it out as well.  I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that that the British used them in Burma.  That theater was equipped with hand-me-downs.  Even a poor tank is better then nothing.

December '41 through mid-43 is not what I would classify as "a short time".

I don't think they were being used in December of '41.  Looking around they first saw action saw action in late spring of 1942.  So they saw front line use for little over a year.  Compare this to the Panzer III which was used from 1939-1943, being phased out for the most part at the same time as the M3s or the Sherman being used from fall of 1942 till the end of the war and saw a lot of use in Korea as well.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017