Ukraine's European Revolution?

[Sheilbh]

Please tell me Milibrand won't be PM. Can't you at least bring back Brown? I thought he was a good dude.

It's an alarming possibility.

Distance makes the heart grow fonder and I do quite like Brown. There was something reassuringly tank-like about him. 'WOMEN! And you are one of them!'

[Admiral Yi]

Which makes perfect sense.  Bluffing at the pot that your opponent is interested in is a bad play.

Stalin and Kruschov were very interested in the German pot.

[PDH]

Sometimes Languish is shit, sometimes it produces a shitstorm that makes life worth living.

I am not sure which one this is.

[DGuller]

Which makes perfect sense.  Bluffing at the pot that your opponent is interested in is a bad play.

Stalin and Kruschov were very interested in the German pot.

We had a different hand back then, a bigger bankroll, and the wife back home that still knew her place and didn't bug you about how your night went.

[Razgovory]

Which makes perfect sense.  Bluffing at the pot that your opponent is interested in is a bad play.

Stalin and Kruschov were very interested in the German pot.

We weren't bluffing then.  Now, I'm not so sure.  I have a sinking feeling that NATO is pretty much over.

[CountDeMoney]

I have a sinking feeling that NATO is pretty much over.

Don't be a twat.

[DGuller]

I have a sinking feeling that NATO is pretty much over.

Don't be a twat.

I think Raz has a point.  IMO, NATO is especially vulnerable to a frog in boiling water attack, much like the one perpetrated on Crimea.  An all-out massive invasion would obviously not go down well, but a slow strangulation that places the onus on the defender to gather their resolve to draw the line and strike back can be deadly.  I'm not sure that Western Europeans have either the will or the ability to get involved in a serious confrontation.

[Razgovory]

Yeah, Salami slicing tactics is a big danger.  I also have grave doubts about some of European allies.  Would they really want to risk everything for a few Estonian villages that the Russians move into to protect the ethnic Russians from Baltic Neo-Nazis?

[Capetan Mihali]

I also have grave doubts about some of European allies.  Would they really want to risk everything for a few Estonian villages that the Russians move into to protect the ethnic Russians from Baltic Neo-Nazis?

Would we? [TheBrain]Non-rhetorical.[/TheBrain]

[CountDeMoney]

I have a sinking feeling that NATO is pretty much over.

Don't be a twat.

I think Raz has a point.  IMO, NATO is especially vulnerable to a frog in boiling water attack, much like the one perpetrated on Crimea.  An all-out massive invasion would obviously not go down well, but a slow strangulation that places the onus on the defender to gather their resolve to draw the line and strike back can be deadly.  I'm not sure that Western Europeans have either the will or the ability to get involved in a serious confrontation.

You and Raz are both mutts.  Get your fucking heads out of your asses.

[Razgovory]

You have much more faith in our Euro friends then I do.  I hope you are right.

[Tamas]

I think this crisis will revitalize NATO, and probably put an end to the "conventional wars won't happen again, all we need is a bunch of commandos and some drones" BS

[Beenherebefore]

I think this crisis will revitalize NATO, and probably put an end to the "conventional wars won't happen again, all we need is a bunch of commandos and some drones" BS

Let's hope you are right. The problem is the financial situation for many European countries in my opinion. It makes re-arming less of a tempting option.

I'm blissfully unaware of the situation in other countries, but Norway's basically trimmed down the armed forces into a small, professional army mostly set up as a rapid reaction force.
The conscripts are in such bad shape, fighting is not an option. Sad, but true.

[celedhring]

I think this crisis will revitalize NATO, and probably put an end to the "conventional wars won't happen again, all we need is a bunch of commandos and some drones" BS

Let's hope you are right. The problem is the financial situation for many European countries in my opinion. It makes re-arming less of a tempting option.

Europe vastly outstrips Russia both in GNP and in manpower, and without having looked at the numbers, I would be surprised if the EU's combined military spending wasn't already higher than Russia's. It's more a matter of integration, coordination and political resolve. Something we haven't excelled in yet, admittedly.

[Iormlund]

I very much doubt Spain is going to commit to rearmament in our current predicament, much less so for the sake of troubles that here seem very distant.