Ukraine's European Revolution?

[Caliga]

Correct.  However, the proper response to tanks being moved around in Russia isn't "Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck ."  Tanks were being moved around in Russia yesterday, and last week, and last month, and last year, and for many years before that.  Spellus needs to save "Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck " for actual bad news, else he will get a rep as "the Boy who Cried Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck."

He does swear quite a bit, doesn't he?

[Jacob]

Grumbler is in a mood today.

Same as yesterday. And the day before. And every day since at least the Battle of Borodino.

[derspiess]

Same as yesterday. And the day before. And every day since at least the Battle of Borodino.

Borodino was some heavy shit.  Tough one to get over.

[Razgovory]

Oh, I guess I stepped on the Raz tripwire by lightly criticizing a Democrat.

How has my stance on Ukraine changed each day?  And what does Rand have to do with it?

Rand Paul's stand has changed wildly and you proudly proclaim to "Stand with Rand".

http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

Cut bait on Crimea, try to secure minority rights there for ethnic Ukrainians & Tatars.  Make it abundantly clear that Russia is not to move any further.  Push for some sort of compensation to Ukraine for loss of territory (if not, keep sanctions in place and/or ratchet them up a bit).  Then Ukraine in NATO (EU decision is between Ukraine and EU but sounds good to me).  Possibly quietly talk to Ukraine about jettisoning a troublesome Russian-majority oblast or two to make the country more stable long-term.

Here's what you said you wanted to do.  As I read this you seem interested in giving up more of Ukraine to Russia.  So what exactly is your beef with Kerry?  Or are you just making attacks on him cause that's what you do?

[Agelastus]

Same as yesterday. And the day before. And every day since at least the Battle of Borodino.

Borodino was some heavy shit.  Tough one to get over.

I don't think he ever got over Zorndorf, myself. Borodino was just the icing on the cake.

[derspiess]

Rand Paul's stand has changed wildly and you proudly proclaim to "Stand with Rand".

http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

I'm starting to wonder if you're incapable of recognizing shtick.  At any rate, I have not referenced Sen. Paul during this discussion nor have I paid much attention to his statements on this particular issue.

Cut bait on Crimea, try to secure minority rights there for ethnic Ukrainians & Tatars.  Make it abundantly clear that Russia is not to move any further.  Push for some sort of compensation to Ukraine for loss of territory (if not, keep sanctions in place and/or ratchet them up a bit).  Then Ukraine in NATO (EU decision is between Ukraine and EU but sounds good to me).  Possibly quietly talk to Ukraine about jettisoning a troublesome Russian-majority oblast or two to make the country more stable long-term.

Here's what you said you wanted to do. 

Bolded the important parts for you.  I think we should have a private conversation with Ukraine about what we (or I since I'm pretty much alone on this) think they should do, but publicly support their territorial integrity, including Crimea.  Knowing that Crimea is a fait accompli, still use it as a bargaining chip, or at least a rhetorical weapon to use against Putin.

As I read this you seem interested in giving up more of Ukraine to Russia.  So what exactly is your beef with Kerry?  Or are you just making attacks on him cause that's what you do?

My "beef" is a light one & only half serious.  Overall I've been very supportive of him, but I guess nothing short of overwhelming praise will please you.

Anyway, I think he should be a little more specific on what we're threatening to do (not ruling anything *out*, just spelling out some particulars on what we most likely will do), and a little more specific on what action (or inaction) we want out of Russia.

But why am I bothering to explain my position to you?  You'll ignore the important points & take things out of context like you always do.

[Razgovory]

No, I just wanted to know if you were serious or not.  I'm actually displeased with the President on this.  This might surprise you but I want a much firmer response, and I think the Syrian fuck up was like a green light to Putin.  Unless Obama can figure out a way to get the Russians out of Ukraine in the next few hours this will be a massive foreign policy failure.

[derspiess]

No, I just wanted to know if you were serious or not.  I'm actually displeased with the President on this.  This might surprise you but I want a much firmer response, and I think the Syrian fuck up was like a green light to Putin.  Unless Obama can figure out a way to get the Russians out of Ukraine in the next few hours this will be a massive foreign policy failure.

Okay, now I get to ask questions.  What would you have done in Obama/Kerry's place?

[Queequeg]

"Вот так надо жить России с Украиной"
"This is how Russia should live with Ukraine!"

[Malthus]

"Вот так надо жить России с Украиной"
"This is how Russia should live with Ukraine!"

They should have a lesbian affair? 

Works for me! 

[Queequeg]

"Вот так надо жить России с Украиной"
"This is how Russia should live with Ukraine!"

They should have a lesbian affair? 

Works for me! 

I similarly endorse this.  Passionately. 

[The Larch]

Slavic Lettows?

[Malthus]

"Вот так надо жить России с Украиной"
"This is how Russia should live with Ukraine!"

They should have a lesbian affair? 

Works for me! 

I similarly endorse this.  Passionately.

Unfortunately, the reality is more like a straightforward ass-raping, a pic of which would be NSFW.

[katmai]

Moscow (AFP) - A United States surveillance drone has been intercepted above the Ukranian region of Crimea, a Russian state arms and technology group said Friday.

"The drone was flying at about 4,000 metres (12,000 feet) and was virtually invisible from the ground. It was possible to break the link with US operators with complex radio-electronic" technology, said Rostec in a statement.

The drone fell "almost intact into the hands of self-defence forces" added Rostec, which said it had manufactured the equipment used to down the aircraft, but did not specify who was operating it.

"Judging by its identification number, UAV MQ-5B belonged to the 66th American Reconnaissance Brigade, based in Bavaria," Rostec said on its website, which also carried a picture of what it said was the captured drone.

The photograph appeared to show an apparently armed drone in flight, rather than debris.

The Crimean port of Sevastopol is home to Russia's Black Sea Fleet, which is believed to be equipped with detection equipment.

Crimea, where pro-Kremlin forces have control, is to hold a referendum on Sunday on the peninsula joining Russia, in what Moscow says is a fair expression of self identity but the West views as an illegal annexation of sovereign territory.

[Valmy]

They should have a lesbian affair? 

Works for me! 

This is the kind of western decadent destruction of traditional values that Putin is fighting so hard against.  What a monster.