Ukraine's European Revolution?

[Admiral Yi]

I think Speesh frequently expresses authoritarian sentiments, yes. I did not mean to suggest that only authoritarians are hostile to journalists; I think that's your habitual hostile reading of my posts that's speaking again.

Yet my "habitual hostile reading of your posts" led to me the correct conclusion that your were accusing Speesh of authoritarian sentiments.

[derspiess]

Any examples of my authoritarianism, Jake?

[Jacob]

Yet my "habitual hostile reading of your posts" led to me the correct conclusion that your were accusing Speesh of authoritarian sentiments.

That is correct. I'm not protesting that part at all, because that's what I said - I thought, as Sheilbh did, that I was pretty direct (you and I have a different definition of passive-aggressive, it seems). That, however, does not support your characterizing my post as saying "only authoritarians are hostile to journalists".

As an aside, I didn't realize that considering derspiess to be authoritarian was a controversial position.

[garbon]

As an aside, I didn't realize that considering derspiess to be authoritarian was a controversial position.

That's the downside of being in one's own thought bubble. Other ideas and viewpoints are silenced.

[Jacob]

Any examples of my authoritarianism, Jake?

Look, I'm happy to take your word that you're not an authoritarian, but it is the general impression you've given me over the years on this board. Perhaps much of what's caused me to think that was trolling on your part, in which case it's merely that the persona you project when you're trolling that's authoritarian. That's fair enough, maybe it's not the real you.

Off the top of my head, I'd say some of these things has contributed to my impression:

- Your gleeful support for rightwing dictators like Pinochet.
- The position you took and language you used discussing the Treyvon Martin case when that was a thing.
- Your disdain towards journalists.
- Your disdain towards protestors.
- A tendency to cheer on applications of force - be it military or police - especially when applied to people you disagree with politically.

Maybe I've gotten the wrong read on you. Like I said to Yi, I didn't think it was going to be controversial to call you an authoritarian within the context of Languish politics or the epitaphs you and I trade here; the point of the barb was categorizing you with pro-Putin Russian thugs.

[Ed Anger]

All those positions are dreamy.

[Admiral Yi]

That is correct. I'm not protesting that part at all, because that's what I said - I thought, as Sheilbh did, that I was pretty direct (you and I have a different definition of passive-aggressive, it seems). That, however, does not support your characterizing my post as saying "only authoritarians are hostile to journalists".

Kay.

As an aside, I didn't realize that considering derspiess to be authoritarian was a controversial position.

How would it not be?  Has he ever expressed approval of dictatorship, control of the press, thought police, or any of the other hallmarks of authoritarianism?

[derspiess]

- Your gleeful support for rightwing dictators like Pinochet.

WE WERE ON A COLD WAR.

- The position you took and language you used discussing the Treyvon Martin case when that was a thing.

Honestly not sure how much of what I said indicated authoritarianism.

- Your disdain towards journalists.

That's shtick & a Languish meme.  I support a broad interpretation of the First Amendment and all the journalists I know personally (there are quite a few) I respect and admire. 

- Your disdain towards protestors.

In two recent examples I very much support protestors

But seriously, it does depend on the context.  Though I don't think I've challenged people's right to protest. 

- A tendency to cheer on applications of force - be it military or police - especially when applied to people you disagree with politically.

Drawing a blank here.

Maybe I've gotten the wrong read on you.

You do sometimes take me too seriously-- e.g. the whore pill thing.

Like I said to Yi, I didn't think it was going to be controversial to call you an authoritarian within the context of Languish politics or the epitaphs you and I trade here; the point of the barb was categorizing you with pro-Putin Russian thugs.

Yeah.

[Jacob]

As an aside, I didn't realize that considering derspiess to be authoritarian was a controversial position.

That's the downside of being in one's own thought bubble. Other ideas and viewpoints are silenced.

Languish is its very own special bubble, that's for sure.

[Ed Anger]

My bubble has a toilet.

[Jacob]

My heart is not really in it to do a thorough dissection and debate on the topic of "derspiess: authoritarian?" It would be a shtick based argument, I think. The non-shtick derspiess seems a decent enough guy.

What's the best way to engage on a non-shtick level?

[Neil]

I'm not exactly authoritarian, but I like my society to be orderly.

[Razgovory]

I can see the authoritarianism.

[derspiess]

My heart is not really in it to do a thorough dissection and debate on the topic of "derspiess: authoritarian?" It would be a shtick based argument, I think. The non-shtick derspiess seems a decent enough guy.

What's the best way to engage on a non-shtick level?

I accept your unconditional surrender

[Ed Anger]

My heart is not really in it to do a thorough dissection and debate on the topic of "derspiess: authoritarian?" It would be a shtick based argument, I think. The non-shtick derspiess seems a decent enough guy.

What's the best way to engage on a non-shtick level?

I accept your unconditional surrender