Obamacare and you

[CountDeMoney]

Seedy = Maduro

Because Venezuela is the only country into the world with universal health care.

For somebody who places such a premium on feoteuosues, derspiess doesn't give a shit about their health.

Then again, maybe it's just certain feoteosuesoes, dependent on class and color.

[Grey Fox]

Seedy = Maduro

You gotta give yourself some leeway DerFachist for the real socialist around here.

[derspiess]

Seedy = Maduro

Because Venezuela is the only country into the world with universal health care.

No, just stating similarities between both guys.  Seedy wants to be Castro, but sadly he's just a Maduro.

[CountDeMoney]

And derspiess wants to be Todd Akin.  Oh wait, he already is.

[derspiess]

And derspiess wants to be Todd Akin.  Oh wait, he already is.

Incorrect.

[Grey Fox]

Der, you have an aversion for Obamacare. Do you have aversion for a real universal healthcare system?

[derspiess]

Der, you have an aversion for Obamacare. Do you have aversion for a real universal healthcare system?

If you're talking about socialized healthcare, then yes.  But even that would be a more efficient/workable system than Obamacare.

[Grey Fox]

Der, you have an aversion for Obamacare. Do you have aversion for a real universal healthcare system?

If you're talking about socialized healthcare, then yes.  But even that would be a more efficient/workable system than Obamacare.

Yes, your previous system is stupid, Obamacare is still stupid, there has been no improvement.

Why are you averse to a real universal healthcare system?

[CountDeMoney]

And derspiess wants to be Todd Akin.  Oh wait, he already is.

Incorrect.

Save it for your "traditional gender roles", babyfucker.

[Valmy]

If you're talking about socialized healthcare, then yes.  But even that would be a more efficient/workable system than Obamacare.

Obamacare like moved the goalposts one yard.  It is only marginally less efficient and workable as it was before.  So what is the alternative?

[derspiess]

Obamacare like moved the goalposts one yard.  It is only marginally less efficient and workable as it was before.

It's a lot more expensive and intrusive than it was before.

So what is the alternative?

You wouldn't like it.

[Valmy]

You wouldn't like it.

I will like whatever works.  Well ok within reason, I suppose we can always just kill all humans.

It's a lot more expensive and intrusive than it was before.

No it is not.  It is incrementally more expensive and intrusive, and it was going that direction anyway.

[Admiral Yi]

Obamacare like moved the goalposts one yard.  It is only marginally less efficient and workable as it was before.  So what is the alternative?

Obamacare was never about efficiency, it was about "fairness" and compassion for those with bad luck.  It's a very Rawlsian policy.

[KRonn]

Massachusetts had a decent State run healthcare process, though it was getting extremely costly. The State could have, or should have, been able to get a waiver on implementing the ACA into the MA plan and website, but the Governor didn't push for it. Now the State website, which was built by the same company CGI that did the Federal site, is broken, a mess, lots of issues. No idea how much that all affects what was once a reasonably smooth running plan beyond the website. The MA plan wasn't great but seemed to do a good job, but as I said turned out being a lot more expensive than the initial plan, as more stuff was added.

[derspiess]

You wouldn't like it.

I will like whatever works.  Well ok within reason, I suppose we can always just kill all humans.

In very vague terms, here's SpiessCare:
Expand Medicare to provide bare-bones health coverage to the poors (I know Obamacare sort of does this).  Encourage HSA participation, deregulate the hell out of private health insurance.  Eliminate the individual mandate but make it difficult to get treatment unless you have health insurance or cash.