The Government Shutdown Countdown Lowdown MEGATHREAD

[Razgovory]

I imagine the libertarian magazine "Reason" would be right up your alley.

[Viking]

I imagine the libertarian magazine "Reason" would be right up your alley.

Nick Gillespie blames both republicans and democrats for the shutdown but also insists that Obama is responsible for fixing it. Reason blames the Republicans too. However, I find Reason calling for the Government to bully congress into being sane not to be within their usual set of values and ideas.

[Ed Anger]

I watch The Five for grumpy Bob Beckel.

[grumbler]

Somebody explain to me if I'm wrong.

But... but these people aren't being forced to buy health insurance because they already have it.

This is Elevenb4Five.  Logic doesn't enter the discussion.

I especially like the one where he has Obama in whiteface threatening to take the health care away from the Germans, Brits, Canadians, Australians, etc.

[Viking]

Somebody explain to me if I'm wrong.

But... but these people aren't being forced to buy health insurance because they already have it.

This is Elevenb4Five.  Logic doesn't enter the discussion.

I especially like the one where he has Obama in whiteface threatening to take the health care away from the Germans, Brits, Canadians, Australians, etc.

I'm just used to politicians and activists trying their best to not specifically lie hoping you just make all the wrong assumptions instead. This is straight out not true.

[Rasputin]

Tamas, that's pretty much how Americans - at least those who are looking at the bigger picture - feel, too.

That's certainly how liberals who would like the federal government to take care of all of us for our own good feel.  I have not missed the federal government in the least. Some of us lOoking at the big picture believe that a government shut down may help us see how blOated the federal government has become and how little it's missed by 53 per cent of Americans.

It's lovely that it's not affected you. I'm pretty sure that that's not the case for many others.

I've a feeling those who are now effective unemployed don't feel that way. Nor those who are working without pay while their co-workers sit on their hands.

So exactly how have you missed the federal government thus far, nothing abstract, a genuine need unmet?


I would like to see us all enjoy prosperity and a rising tide that could lift all boats. Government spending and programs that make us all more dependent on a shrinking number of tax payers logically can not be the solution.

[Razgovory]

What an absurd statement.

[11B4V]

Somebody explain to me if I'm wrong.

But... but these people aren't being forced to buy health insurance because they already have it.

Down at the bottom of that pic is the source. Logic and reason need not apply.

[Syt]

So exactly how have you missed the federal government thus far, nothing abstract, a genuine need unmet?

For example:

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2013/10/14/131014taco_talk_talbot?utm_source=tny&utm_campaign=generalsocial&utm_medium=facebook

[...]

What the Republican intransigents were willing to deprive of funds, besides the Capitol police, included the following: The Centers for Disease Control, which said that it would have to stop its seasonal flu-prevention program and would "have significantly reduced capacity to respond to outbreak investigations." The Environmental Protection Agency, which would close down almost entirely, and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, which would stop most of its inspections. The wic program, which provides healthy food supplements for millions of pregnant women, new mothers, and babies, and could run on temporary federal funds only through the end of the month. The Food and Drug Administration, which said it "will be unable to support the majority of its food safety, nutrition, and cosmetics activities," and would have to halt "the majority of the laboratory research necessary to inform public health decision-making." The National Institutes of Health, which announced that it would not be enrolling any new patients in ongoing studies or clinical trials.

[...]

[grumbler]

So exactly how have you missed the federal government thus far, nothing abstract, a genuine need unmet?

Exactly.  We can get rid of every farmer in the US as well, because, four days into a farmer shutdown, we would not be completely out of food (and, even when we run out of food, we can survive for several days without food).  Therefor, farmers are completely unnecessary.

[Razgovory]

I imagine the libertarian magazine "Reason" would be right up your alley.

Nick Gillespie blames both republicans and democrats for the shutdown but also insists that Obama is responsible for fixing it. Reason blames the Republicans too. However, I find Reason calling for the Government to bully congress into being sane not to be within their usual set of values and ideas.

I guess you already read that.    You could always go to National Review online, which Hans often took articles from and posted here, or the network of Breitbart sites that Derspeiss introduced me to, but somehow I don't think you'd find them very credible.  They tend to be low quality tripe.

[Neil]

I would like to see us all enjoy prosperity and a rising tide that could lift all boats.

The problem is that analogy doesn't hold up anymore.  The result of Republican policies is poverty, disease and death.

[Razgovory]

I would like to see us all enjoy prosperity and a rising tide that could lift all boats.

The problem is that analogy doesn't hold up anymore.  The result of Republican policies is poverty, disease and death.

I used to believe that a rising tide lifts all boats, but I'm not so sure anymore.

[PDH]

Exactly.  We can get rid of every farmer in the US as well, because, four days into a farmer shutdown, we would not be completely out of food (and, even when we run out of food, we can survive for several days without food).  Therefor, farmers are completely unnecessary.

Whoa, farmers.  Way to kick him in the Jeffersons.

[Kleves]

Thomas Jefferson's pro-farmer stance was what caused grumbler to vote for him in the first place.