Massive use of chemical weapons in Syria, 1,429 killed including 426 children

Started by jimmy olsen, August 21, 2013, 05:35:55 PM

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jimmy olsen

Quote from: mongers on August 28, 2013, 04:43:01 PM
So if this report about the chemical weapons unit commander carrying out the strike without authorization from his superior/Syrian defence ministry is true what might have been the cause ? 

A fuck-up, intentional decision by commander to up the ante, perhaps he was bribed to do it ?
Link?
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2013, 05:29:57 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 28, 2013, 04:43:01 PM
So if this report about the chemical weapons unit commander carrying out the strike without authorization from his superior/Syrian defence ministry is true what might have been the cause ? 

A fuck-up, intentional decision by commander to up the ante, perhaps he was bribed to do it ?
Link?

It was mentioned somewhere, it's supposedly the substance of the Israeli intelligence, that they picked up comms between the two, the commander and the defence depart/minister in charge. 

If so I'll be referenced in the next 2-3 days I guess.
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mongers

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2013, 05:52:13 PM
So, an unverified rumor.  :P

Goddam lazy arsed kids today. :rolleyes:

try googling something like " chemical weapons commander syria israeli intercept "

Oh look, I'll give you a url so your poor tired little self doesn't have to paste it into a browser box:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=chemical+weapons+commander+syria+israeli+intercept&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest

:P

See, the 'story'/report is all over the news now. 

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jimmy olsen

^^^ It doesn't matter if Assad didn't order the attack personally. He's responsible for the actions of his armed forces. In fact, if things are spiraling out of control so badly that units are using chemical weapons on their own accord that's even worse.

Anyways, I think Iran is bluffing. They aren't going to do shit.
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Iran's full of shit, they're not going to waste their network assets for the sake of Syria when they're worried about using it if and when the West does something about their nuclear program.

Hezbollah and Hamas are not in a position to do more than launch missiles into Israel, because that never happens anyway.

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Quote from: Ed Anger on August 28, 2013, 05:06:26 PM
My launcher is fully erect.

If it lasts for more than 4 hours you are supposed to go see your doctor.  You are going on 48 now...

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Quote from: crazy canuck on August 28, 2013, 06:41:46 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 28, 2013, 05:06:26 PM
My launcher is fully erect.

If it lasts for more than 4 hours you are supposed to go see your doctor.  You are going on 48 now...

Crews are deflating the launcher as needed.
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Quote from: Ed Anger on August 28, 2013, 07:17:27 PM
Crews are deflating the launcher as needed.

For the next three days, every time you post about missiles launched we'll not know if your updating us on the conflict or describing you latest attempt at siring.
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Quote from: mongers on August 28, 2013, 04:43:01 PM
So if this report about the chemical weapons unit commander carrying out the strike without authorization from his superior/Syrian defence ministry is true what might have been the cause ? 

A fuck-up, intentional decision by commander to up the ante, perhaps he was bribed to do it ?

There is a reason why we don't give ground commanders access to chemical or nuclear weapons.  Sounds like a bullshit excuse.  If they provided the commanders with nerve gas they can't go back and say "wasn't our fault, he didn't put in the paper work to use them".
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Quote from: Razgovory on August 28, 2013, 07:50:28 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 28, 2013, 04:43:01 PM
So if this report about the chemical weapons unit commander carrying out the strike without authorization from his superior/Syrian defence ministry is true what might have been the cause ? 

A fuck-up, intentional decision by commander to up the ante, perhaps he was bribed to do it ?

There is a reason why we don't give ground commanders access to chemical or nuclear weapons.  Sounds like a bullshit excuse.  If they provided the commanders with nerve gas they can't go back and say "wasn't our fault, he didn't put in the paper work to use them".

It does sound like a bullshit excuse, but I wouldn't dismiss it so easily. Assad doesn't keep chemical weapons in his backyard, just as Obama doesn't keep them in the White House. Aspects of the military have the weapons. If a part of those aspects go rouge, then I think some questions are worth asking:
--will firing cruise missiles result in regime change, and will the group or groups that get power of the stockpiles be able to exercise better command and control?
--if the regime collapses as a result of firing missiles, will the groups that fill the void respect human rights and the norms of war?
--if we fire cruise missiles and the regime endures, will the firing of cruise missiles lead to a further breakdown in command and control that allowed the use of chemical weapons in the first place?
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