Orson Scott Card, Anti-Gay Author, Responds To 'Ender's Game' Boycott Campaign

[Razgovory]

What's your beef, Yi.

A phobia is an irrational fear.  Homosexualists use homophobe to describe anyone who is opposed to homosexuality, much like rag heads use Islamophobe to describe anyone who criticizes Islam or Muslims.  Both of those are bullshit.

Okay, I'm cool with that.  What term would you use?  I typically use "Bigot".

[merithyn]

I suppose you might have a case if both sides are equally good and supporting hate is a legitimate cause.

At any rate, I don't think there is hypocrisy involved in not forking over money to someone who will fork over money to causes that hurt you (/you disagree with).

Exactly

[Neil]

He sure is.

And people are entitled to think he's still a bigot because of the opinion he holds; and they are entitled to not go watch his movie if they're the sort of people who don't want to make movies made by bigots.

I don't care what a person thinks or feels. However, Card puts a portion of his income in trying to force his opinion into law. Because of that, I won't support him or his film. Which sucks, because Card used to be one of my favorite authors, and I've been waiting for this movie for a very long time.

Ah well.

Other people from the opposing side put a portion of their income in trying to force their opinion into law. Hypocritical IMO.

I'll see it and hope it's good. Dont care about the other BS.

But we're not talking about other people.  This is a choice for the individual, if they can't live with the idea that somebody who is politically suspect might be earning a little bit of money off of their decisions.

Granted, it's a foolish choice rooted is vicious, obscurantist stupidity, but it's still legitimate.

[11B4V]

Other people from the opposing side put a portion of their income in trying to force their opinion into law. Hypocritical IMO.

I'll see it and hope it's good. Dont care about the other BS.

How is it hypocritical? I didn't say that he couldn't do as he pleases with his cash. I just said that I choose not to support it.

Like someone else said, get a pirated copy, or wait till it comes out on DVD and borrow it.

[OttoVonBismarck]

I love how everyone just ignored the point I made about the fact if Card's deal is anything like normal ones, he received a lump sum for selling the film rights to his novel and probably doesn't make any money off of ticket sales. Does anyone have any evidence he has an unusual deal with Ender's game? If not that part of the argument doesn't make sense.

A lot of times authors sell the film rights many years or even decades prior to the film being produced. It's quite possible he sold the rights to Ender's game back in the 80s or maybe 90s, and it has traded hands from one studio to another over the years, meaning he may have even received a relatively small amount of money for it given there's been a lot of inflation in the payouts for film rights for popular novels in the past 10-15 years.

[merithyn]

Like someone else said, get a pirated copy, or wait till it comes out on DVD and borrow it.

I'm not sure that I won't, but I'm not going to go out of my way for it.

[Razgovory]

I love how everyone just ignored the point I made about the fact if Card's deal is anything like normal ones, he received a lump sum for selling the film rights to his novel and probably doesn't make any money off of ticket sales. Does anyone have any evidence he has an unusual deal with Ender's game? If not that part of the argument doesn't make sense.

A lot of times authors sell the film rights many years or even decades prior to the film being produced. It's quite possible he sold the rights to Ender's game back in the 80s or maybe 90s, and it has traded hands from one studio to another over the years, meaning he may have even received a relatively small amount of money for it given there's been a lot of inflation in the payouts for film rights for popular novels in the past 10-15 years.

Didn't you mention that the deal was unusual?  After all Card is Coproducer.  Question:  If the film is a success and they make a sequel does he get another check?

[garbon]

I love how everyone just ignored the point I made about the fact if Card's deal is anything like normal ones, he received a lump sum for selling the film rights to his novel and probably doesn't make any money off of ticket sales. Does anyone have any evidence he has an unusual deal with Ender's game? If not that part of the argument doesn't make sense.

A lot of times authors sell the film rights many years or even decades prior to the film being produced. It's quite possible he sold the rights to Ender's game back in the 80s or maybe 90s, and it has traded hands from one studio to another over the years, meaning he may have even received a relatively small amount of money for it given there's been a lot of inflation in the payouts for film rights for popular novels in the past 10-15 years.

I'm not sure if it is as cut and dry as you are suggesting as certainly different individuals can come up with different structures (much in the same way that different compensation schemes exist for different screenplay writers).

At any rate, let's theorize that this boycott took place and one could observe that it really hurt film sales. Seems like that would play a role in whether or not a film based on another of his works gets greenlit.

[11B4V]

I love how everyone just ignored the point I made about the fact if Card's deal is anything like normal ones, he received a lump sum for selling the film rights to his novel and probably doesn't make any money off of ticket sales. Does anyone have any evidence he has an unusual deal with Ender's game? If not that part of the argument doesn't make sense.

A lot of times authors sell the film rights many years or even decades prior to the film being produced. It's quite possible he sold the rights to Ender's game back in the 80s or maybe 90s, and it has traded hands from one studio to another over the years, meaning he may have even received a relatively small amount of money for it given there's been a lot of inflation in the payouts for film rights for popular novels in the past 10-15 years.

IMO this boycott wont amount to shit.

[garbon]

I love how everyone just ignored the point I made about the fact if Card's deal is anything like normal ones, he received a lump sum for selling the film rights to his novel and probably doesn't make any money off of ticket sales. Does anyone have any evidence he has an unusual deal with Ender's game? If not that part of the argument doesn't make sense.

A lot of times authors sell the film rights many years or even decades prior to the film being produced. It's quite possible he sold the rights to Ender's game back in the 80s or maybe 90s, and it has traded hands from one studio to another over the years, meaning he may have even received a relatively small amount of money for it given there's been a lot of inflation in the payouts for film rights for popular novels in the past 10-15 years.

IMO this boycott wont amount to shit.

I think that's likely true.

[Eddie Teach]

At any rate, let's theorize that this boycott took place and one could observe that it really hurt film sales.

But one can't observe that. One can merely observe that the movie didn't meet some expectation of returns and theorize that the boycott caused it.

[merithyn]

I love how everyone just ignored the point I made about the fact if Card's deal is anything like normal ones, he received a lump sum for selling the film rights to his novel and probably doesn't make any money off of ticket sales. Does anyone have any evidence he has an unusual deal with Ender's game? If not that part of the argument doesn't make sense.

A lot of times authors sell the film rights many years or even decades prior to the film being produced. It's quite possible he sold the rights to Ender's game back in the 80s or maybe 90s, and it has traded hands from one studio to another over the years, meaning he may have even received a relatively small amount of money for it given there's been a lot of inflation in the payouts for film rights for popular novels in the past 10-15 years.

Because the point is irrelevant. Even if he doesn't earn more through the box office, the success or failure of this film will dictate whether or not more of his books are made into movies. Ender's Game isn't a one-off; it's the first of a series.

[garbon]

At any rate, let's theorize that this boycott took place and one could observe that it really hurt film sales.

But one can't observe that. One can merely observe that the movie didn't meet some expectation of returns and theorize that the boycott caused it.

ok?

[11B4V]

I love how everyone just ignored the point I made about the fact if Card's deal is anything like normal ones, he received a lump sum for selling the film rights to his novel and probably doesn't make any money off of ticket sales. Does anyone have any evidence he has an unusual deal with Ender's game? If not that part of the argument doesn't make sense.

A lot of times authors sell the film rights many years or even decades prior to the film being produced. It's quite possible he sold the rights to Ender's game back in the 80s or maybe 90s, and it has traded hands from one studio to another over the years, meaning he may have even received a relatively small amount of money for it given there's been a lot of inflation in the payouts for film rights for popular novels in the past 10-15 years.

IMO this boycott wont amount to shit.

I think that's likely true.

Now that's not saying they dont have cause to boycott. Just the youth nowadays dont give a shit if it's a good movie.

[merithyn]

IMO this boycott wont amount to shit.

It might or might not. I'll still know that I'm not giving my money to his endeavors. *shrugs*