Women as Army Rangers and Navy Seals by 2016

[Eddie Teach]

A decent quarterback* at collegiate/pro level is pretty much required to have a freakishly strong arm. Sure the mental stuff is important too, but without the arm they're not gonna have much success.

*Not counting the wildcat on every play guys you occasionally see in college

[merithyn]

A decent quarterback* at collegiate/pro level is pretty much required to have a freakishly strong arm. Sure the mental stuff is important too, but without the arm they're not gonna have much success.

*Not counting the wildcat on every play guys you occasionally see in college

I know. I'm not understanding your point. I was merely saying that to be a quarterback it takes more than just a strong arm. The strong arm is important, but the ability to read plays, learn plays, lead the team, and pull things together when they're starting to unravel are also important aspects of the role.

But yes, one still has to get the ball down the field, which is the number one criteria. What are you arguing?

[Eddie Teach]

I'm saying the arm is important enough that a woman's chance of becoming an NFL quarterback is in the same ballpark as a woman's chance of winning a gold in men's shot put. Is your position that you doubt any woman could qualify for the Special Forces(even when you factor in the non-physical bits)? It didn't sound like it, which is why I found the comparison to quarterbacking odd.

[11B4V]

Here's a good article.

http://sofrep.com/8339/female-cst-special-forces-enabler-speaks/


I only supplied the link, as it also has pics in it.

[merithyn]

I'm saying the arm is important enough that a woman's chance of becoming an NFL quarterback is in the same ballpark as a woman's chance of winning a gold in men's shot put. Is your position that you doubt any woman could qualify for the Special Forces(even when you factor in the non-physical bits)? It didn't sound like it, which is why I found the comparison to quarterbacking odd.

My point was that there is rarely only the physical component to a job, even an NFL quarterback.

[merithyn]

Here's a good article.

http://sofrep.com/8339/female-cst-special-forces-enabler-speaks/


I only supplied the link, as it also has pics in it.

I think she's dead on. Brilliant article.

[derspiess]

That female kicker showed us what a waste of time it is to even talk about women in football.

[merithyn]

That female kicker showed us what a waste of time it is to even talk about women in football.

And Joey Harrington showed us what a waste of time it is to even talk about men as quarterbacks.

[Valmy]

That female kicker showed us what a waste of time it is to even talk about women in football.

I thought it showed us what a waste of time it is to even talk about the Colorado Buffaloes in football.

[Eddie Teach]

I thought it showed us what a waste of time it is to even talk about the Colorado Buffaloes in football.

Well, sure. NCAA, but not SEC...

[Berkut]

I'm saying the arm is important enough that a woman's chance of becoming an NFL quarterback is in the same ballpark as a woman's chance of winning a gold in men's shot put. Is your position that you doubt any woman could qualify for the Special Forces(even when you factor in the non-physical bits)? It didn't sound like it, which is why I found the comparison to quarterbacking odd.

My point was that there is rarely only the physical component to a job, even an NFL quarterback.

My point is that physical ability is rarely the only component of a job, but is often a primary component of a job such that the odds of any physically relatively disadvantaged set of humans trying to get one of those jobs when competing for a finite number of spots against a set of humans who are as a whole far above the mean in physical capability is incredibly unlikely.

In other words, no matter how smart, incredible a leader, and great at reading defense some woman is, there is no chance she is ever going to be able to out-compete the men who are competing for a spot on an NFL roster.

I suspect the same is almost as true for something like a Navy Seal, where even amazingly fit men often cannot meet the physical requirements necessary to make it through. Probably not quite as extreme, but pretty close.

Enough so, in any case, that if some women do make it through, I suspect it will only be because they were helped, either overtly through a stated change in the selection standards, or covertly.

Other SF jobs may be different - Green Beret's, for example, may have very different physical needs and selection requirements than Navy Seals.

[merithyn]

My point is that physical ability is rarely the only component of a job, but is often a primary component of a job such that the odds of any physically relatively disadvantaged set of humans trying to get one of those jobs when competing for a finite number of spots against a set of humans who are as a whole far above the mean in physical capability is incredibly unlikely.

In other words, no matter how smart, incredible a leader, and great at reading defense some woman is, there is no chance she is ever going to be able to out-compete the men who are competing for a spot on an NFL roster.

I agree.

I suspect the same is almost as true for something like a Navy Seal, where even amazingly fit men often cannot meet the physical requirements necessary to make it through. Probably not quite as extreme, but pretty close.

Enough so, in any case, that if some women do make it through, I suspect it will only be because they were helped, either overtly through a stated change in the selection standards, or covertly.

Other SF jobs may be different - Green Beret's, for example, may have very different physical needs and selection requirements than Navy Seals.

I'm not sure what you expect me to say here. I hope that you are incorrect, and that if a woman makes the squad, that she earned it. I don't think anyone should be "helped" into any position, but especially one where lives are endangered.

That being said, I would hope that the stated requirements for the job are, indeed, requirements for the job, and not meant as a weeding mechanism simply to keep women from getting it.

[Berkut]

Here's a good article.

http://sofrep.com/8339/female-cst-special-forces-enabler-speaks/


I only supplied the link, as it also has pics in it.

I think she's dead on. Brilliant article.

Yep.

[Jacob]

Here's a good article.

http://sofrep.com/8339/female-cst-special-forces-enabler-speaks/


I only supplied the link, as it also has pics in it.

Interesting article.

One question for you - what's a Special Forces Enabler?

It sounds like she's not Special Forces, but worked with them directly...?

[crazy canuck]

So since you coached baseball you're an authority on using girls as QB in youth football teams?

Yes that was exaclty my point