2016 elections - because it's never too early

[Eddie Teach]

Who the hell is Shirley Manson?

Charles' daughter.





I kid. She's the lead singer of Garbage.

[garbon]

http://news.yahoo.com/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clinton-2016-143825887.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CWkTIJSHWUAqEjQtDMD

Will Elizabeth Warren challenge Hillary Clinton in 2016?

Will Elizabeth Warren challenge Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination in 2016?

That's what some observers in Washington are wondering, after a profile of the Massachusetts senator published by the New Republic on Sunday ("Hillary's Nightmare?") takes a hard look at the possibility of a Warren run for the White House.

"Yeah, Hillary is running," a former Warren aide told the magazine. "And she'll probably win. But Elizabeth doesn't care about winning. She doesn't care whose turn it is."

Earlier this year, Warren co-signed a letter with other Senate Democratic women urging the former first lady, senator and secretary of state to run in 2016. But she sidestepped a direct question from the New Republic's Noam Scheiber about the possibility of taking on Clinton in 2016.

"You've asked me about the politics," Warren said. "All I can do is take you back to the principle part of this. ... I know what I am in Washington to do: I'm here to fight for hard-working families."

Most insiders say Clinton would be an overwhelming favorite against any Democratic primary opponent. One far-too-early poll released in July showed Clinton holds a 48-point lead over Vice President Joe Biden and a 50-point advantage over Warren among Iowa Democrats.

However, former aides say the former Harvard law professor would be undeterred by polls.

"She has an immense — I can't put it in words — a sense of destiny," one said. "If Hillary or the man on the moon is not representing her stuff and her people don't have a seat at table, she'll do what she can to make sure it's represented."

Scheiber lays out Clinton's "nightmare" like this:

Any candidate who challenged Clinton would need several key assets. The candidate would almost certainly have to be a woman, given Democrats' desire to make history again. She would have to amass huge piles of money with relatively little effort. Above all, she would have to awaken in Democratic voters an almost evangelical passion. As it happens, there is precisely such a person. Her name is Elizabeth Warren.

Reminder: The first votes that count in the 2016 presidential campaign, the Iowa caususes, are scheduled for early January 2016.

[derspiess]

Who the hell is Shirley Manson?

You were under a rock during the 90s, I take it.

[Sheilbh]

Good. Anyone but Clinton

[Admiral Yi]

Most insiders say Clinton would be an overwhelming favorite against any Democratic primary opponent. One far-too-early poll released in July showed Clinton holds a 48-point lead over Vice President Joe Biden and a 50-point advantage over Warren among Iowa Democrats.

[garbon]

Good. Anyone but Clinton

I think Warren is like a caricature version of the perceived negatives of Clinton apart from the dynastic piece.

[Sheilbh]

I think your perceived negatives and those identified by a Clinton critic may be different.

[Admiral Yi]

Warren would be a perfect chance for Democratic primary voters that disfunctionality is not a monopoly of the right.

[Eddie Teach]

Any candidate who challenged Clinton would need several key assets. The candidate would almost certainly have to be a woman, given Democrats' desire to make history again. She would have to amass huge piles of money with relatively little effort. Above all, she would have to awaken in Democratic voters an almost evangelical passion. As it happens, there is precisely such a person. Her name is Elizabeth Warren.

Why is that so urgent?

Also, they could find a Mexirican or Celestial or openly homo candidate and still make history.

[garbon]

I think your perceived negatives and those identified by a Clinton critic may be different.

I didn't mean my perceived negatives, I meant perceived negatives as portrayed in op-eds/media. I perceive to negatives in Clinton.

[derspiess]

It would take someone like Warren to make me feel better about Hillary.  If it were close between the two I'd go all Operation Chaos like Ed and vote for Hil in the primary.

[Maximus]

I thought Clinton had said she wasn't going to run again. Did she reverse that or are people just assuming she will?

[Admiral Yi]

I thought Clinton had said she wasn't going to run again. Did she reverse that or are people just assuming she will?

I never heard that.  All I've heard from her is the waffling one expects from a potential candidate.

[Viking]

No idea, but I don't see how that's relevant.

She's scottish/british and she's only happy when it rains.

[The Brain]

She's only happy when she's constipated.