Coup Rumours in China

[CountDeMoney]

Something's got to thin the globe of so many of you people. 
You won't stop fucking...

Jealous?

There's too goddamned many of them, and you fucking know that.  China is one big fucking ecocide.  So quit being a fucktard.

[Razgovory]

We also know that Chinese chicks give you a hard on.

[Siege]

S.M. Stirling's Change will thin the world down.

[Siege]

Raz, Jacob, I don't hate you.
I just hate myself for not being as smart as you are.

CdM, I do fucking hate you, for banning me.
You are worst th an Paradox.

[Siege]

That's it. I
m about to QuitRage Marty sytle.

Or is it ragequit?

[Eddie Teach]

That's it. I
m about to QuitRage Marty sytle.

Or is it ragequit?

I believe it's called passing out.

[Siege]

What are you tlking about?
Do you know hpw many lite beers I can drink?

A LOT!

[Tamas]

Are we, as Europeans and North Americans, really supposed to be wary of major Chinese troubles? I mean, an other division of the country, where a socialism -> democracy move would surely lead them, would, after a period of instability, sort of save our economies? Chinese collapse would mean: cheaper commodities, and the need to move a lot of production back to the developed world.

[Martinus]

One boring group of guys in suits may be supplanting another boring group of guys in suits, its very worrying 

[Monoriu]

Are we, as Europeans and North Americans, really supposed to be wary of major Chinese troubles? I mean, an other division of the country, where a socialism -> democracy move would surely lead them, would, after a period of instability, sort of save our economies? Chinese collapse would mean: cheaper commodities, and the need to move a lot of production back to the developed world.

It also means that iphones, ipads, and a huge amount of other goods will become more expensive for consumers all over the world

[Martinus]

I just read up a bit on Zhou Yongkang.  He is 69, almost 70.  He is due to step down this autumn anyway during the 18th Party Congress.  The rule is, if you are 67 or older during a party congress, you need to step down.

Now I know who the Polish government got its idea to raise the retirement age to 67 from. 

[Martinus]

Well for you it's probably not. You get to watch dramatic things and human suffering on TV and feel good that it doesn't involve you or people you know or care about. So if that's all you care about, then a mess in China is probably a good thing for you.

Come on now, I don't enjoy watching human suffering.  I'm just saying that with the Chinese Communists being the bad guys, it might not be a bad thing to have bad guys fighting against bad guys.

Geopolitically, I suppose it depends on whether you think it's likely that the US is well positioned to take advantage of a mess in China, how severe the impact is on the world (and US) economy and to what degree you expect the US itself might get sucked into or stick in a detrimental mess.

I think there would be plenty of ways to profit from a big mess in China.  And I don't see any likely scenarios where the US gets sucked into it, not directly anyway.

Considering that China is probably the only important part of the global economy that isn't (yet) royally fucked up, I don't think it would be a good thing to have it collapse into a bloody mess, at least until the US and Europe start to show steady signs of recovery.

[Martinus]

If China takes a jump to democracy rather than a slow transition, it needs a charismatic leader to take it there to have any chance of making. The most recent charismatic leader on offer was a pseudo-Maoist with a penchant for blatantly disregarding the law even by CCP standards.

Personally, I think Japan, Taiwan and South Korea are good models for successful transitions to Democracy. Belarus, the Ukraine, Hungary etc, less so.

I think you are forgetting that most former Eastern Bloc countries have transitioned rather succesfully. Belarus is an exception, not a rule in the region. As for Ukraine and Hungary, despite some "authoritarian hiccups" they are more democratic and less corrupt than Taiwan. Likewise, Japan, where the same party has ruled for half a century and where the state officials have been paying honours to a shrine to war criminals, can hardly be called that democratic, can't it?

Your yellow fever is endearing when it is not blinding you to reality.

[Martinus]

Are we, as Europeans and North Americans, really supposed to be wary of major Chinese troubles? I mean, an other division of the country, where a socialism -> democracy move would surely lead them, would, after a period of instability, sort of save our economies? Chinese collapse would mean: cheaper commodities, and the need to move a lot of production back to the developed world.

It also means that iphones, ipads, and a huge amount of other goods will become more expensive for consumers all over the world

The true Apple fans can sell their kidneys. Which would also, incidentally, make up for the lack of supply of condemned prisoners' organs from China. Win-win.

[Razgovory]

Raz, Jacob, I don't hate you.
I just hate myself for not being as smart as you are.

CdM, I do fucking hate you, for banning me.
You are worst th an Paradox.

Don't worry.  You are smarter then me.