Iran War?

[Legbiter]

God knows at this point.

[Legbiter]

As an aside I just found out a part of the reason why Israel has these God-like intelligence powers.

Israel will never admit it, but I am confident that so many of the successes Israel has had vs. the Iranian axis is not due to Israeli genius but due to the stupidity of the men who make up the rank-and-file and commanders of these militias & Iranian regime.

Having spent 903 days in the captivity of an Iraqi militia servicing Iran, I can tell you that I've never met more ignorant people in my life. Commanders who think tracking devices can be planted in teeth, but don't know white [non-silver] fillings exist. Commanders who think Masons rule the world. Senior commanders who are literally illiterate. An Iranian commander who thinks there is such a thing as spoken vs. written Hebrew (diglossia).

What a travesty that Iraqis, Yemenis, Gazans, Iranians and Lebanese are subject to the rule of these brutal ignoramuses.

https://x.com/LizHurra/status/1985265487849087320

The post she links to illustrates the..problem perfectly. 

*edit* here it is, with commentary.

https://x.com/HadiHtt/status/1986917550845010366?t=HcHoGBny5d6pLhp7S_JcdQ&s=09

First, cellphones on location and inside tunnels.

Second, filming with smartphones.

Third, filming workers faces, with the identity of the contractor and the project revealed. Possible easy targets for foreign intel.
Forth and most dangerous: if this was not followed by serious investigations from the military and government, it can give us an insight on how much the last 12 days war against Iran and also what happened in Lebanon and Gaza in the last 3 years were beneficial in terms of lessons and experience for the Iranian command.

Later, if this location was striked during any upcoming agression against Iran, the Iranians and the world will be stunned by the "God like" capabilities of Israeli mossad, while in fact, it was always the lack of proper security measures from our side, in Lebanon as in Iran, that lead to all of these heavy losses in individuals and military capabilities.

Hopefuly this will be a stupid contractor mistake, not a representative sample.

A sub-85 IQ intelligence officer could find out the coordinates of this site. Imagine what a smart one could do.

[Tonitrus]

Trump and his various spokespeople have not "ruled out" boots on the ground, apparently.

What do you all think the chances are of an American deployment on Iranian soil? Whether limited or substantial?

I'd still say it is low...Trump not "ruling out" things is one of his few standards.

Might there be special operations guys on the ground at some point?  Perhaps intermittently/specialized raids, etc. And on-the-ground personnel might be part of some kind of eventual cease-fire/peace arrangement (e.g. nuclear site inspectors/verification, etc.) at some point.  But I doubt any mass deployment/ground combat operations.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Trump and his various spokespeople have not "ruled out" boots on the ground, apparently.

What do you all think the chances are of an American deployment on Iranian soil? Whether limited or substantial?

You'd have to ask Bibi, only he knows for sure.

[Sophie Scholl]

I've heard that the Assembly building was empty but also that it wasn't. I've also heard reports the Ayatollah was killed during a meeting in his compound--which if true is mind-boggling opsec. The idea a figure like him would just be openly inside the building most prominently associated with his rule, an obvious target of Iran's enemies...just unthinkably dumb if accurate.

I wonder if his cancer was back/another health issue was reaching terminal levels and he let his location leak so he could become a martyr for a failing regime rather than just an old guy who died.

[The Minsky Moment]

Maybe but Occam Razoring an explanation of simple human stupidity rarely goes wrong,

[Sophie Scholl]

True.

[Syt]

https://newrepublic.com/post/207270/military-leaders-iran-war-donald-trump-jesus-armageddon

Military Leaders Say Iran War Is So Trump Can Bring About "Armageddon"

Troops have logged more than 110 complaints about such comments with the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.

Without any clear message coming from the White House with regard to the purpose of the Iran war, U.S. military commanders have turned to Jesus, apparently telling American troops that the war is "biblically sanctioned."

The U.S. joined Israel in striking Iran early Saturday morning. By Monday evening, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, or MRFF, was "inundated" with complaints, receiving more than 110 grievances from U.S. military personnel stationed at dozens of sites across the Middle East, reported independent journalist Jonathan Larsen.

One such note included an anecdote from a noncommissioned officer, who reported that their commander had "urged us to tell our troops that this was 'all part of God's divine plan' and he specifically referenced numerous citations out of the Book of Revelation referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ."

The NCO's complaint was lodged on behalf of 15 troops, including 11 Christians, one Muslim, and one Jew, according to Larsen. The officer stated that such remarks "destroy morale and unit cohesion and are in violation of the oaths we swore to support the [C]onstitution."

"This morning our commander opened up the combat readiness status briefing by urging us to not be 'afraid' as to what is happening with our combat operations in Iran right now," the NCO wrote.

"He said that 'President Trump has been anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth,'" the NCO continued. "He had a big grin on his face when he said all of this which made his message seem even more crazy."

It wouldn't be a stretch to blame some of the blatant constitutional violations on Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who has repeatedly evoked God and Christian nationalism in his time fronting the Pentagon.

Hegseth has parroted the views of Douglas Wilson, a conservative theologian who advocated for Christian dominance over government and society. He has followed through in practice, instating regular prayer services at America's military headquarters. He also entered office with several Christian symbols already emblazoned on his skin—a Jerusalem cross and the phrase "Deus vult"—in what Hegseth has described as emblems of the "modern-day American Christian crusade."

U.S. service members are afforded the religious liberty protections in the First Amendment. They also have a legal right to seek religious accommodations—and the MRFF told Larsen that it has been overwhelmed with complaints about commanders who are apparently tapping into the same sort of Christian nationalism espoused by the Pentagon chief.

"These calls have one damn thing in freaking common; our MRFF clients [service members who seek MRFF aid] report the unrestricted euphoria of their commanders and command chains as to how this new 'biblically-sanctioned' war is clearly the undeniable sign of the expeditious approach of the fundamentalist Christian 'End Times' as vividly described in the New Testament Book of Revelation," MRFF president and founder Mikey Weinstein, a veteran of the Air Force and the Reagan White House, told Larsen.

"Many of their commanders are especially delighted with how graphic this battle will be zeroing in on how bloody all of this must become in order to fulfill and be in 100 percent accordance with fundamentalist Christian end of the world eschatology."

Not sure how credible Jonathan Larsen or the MRFF are, so take with plenty of NaCl.

[The Brain]

Remember, Trump is the best and brightest Republican. The one they have chosen to lead them.

[crazy canuck]

Remember, Trump is the best and brightest Republican. The one they have chosen to lead them.

No, Trump was chosen by God - at least according to American Fundamentalists.

[Sheilbh]

I'd still say it is low...Trump not "ruling out" things is one of his few standards.

Might there be special operations guys on the ground at some point?  Perhaps intermittently/specialized raids, etc. And on-the-ground personnel might be part of some kind of eventual cease-fire/peace arrangement (e.g. nuclear site inspectors/verification, etc.) at some point.  But I doubt any mass deployment/ground combat operations.

Yeah I agree with this.

[crazy canuck]

I had coffee today with a friend whose family fled Iran shortly after the Revolution, when he was a young boy.  The family left to avoid the forced conversions that were occurring (they are Zoroastrians). His view was that although he was happy an evil man was killed, he fears the country will explode into both sectarian and nationalist violence that will make the break up of Yugoslavia look like a tea party.

[Jacob]

Yeah that seems a pretty reasonable position.

I've yet to meet a Persian in Vancouver who does not despise the Mullah-regime in Iran. Apparently there are some Iranians and I suppose Iranian-aligned Arabs in Europe who are expressing support for the Iranian government, but I haven't come across any locally.

[Valmy]

Remember, Trump is the best and brightest Republican. The one they have chosen to lead them.

No, Trump was chosen by God - at least according to American Fundamentalists.

History has definitely shown that God sucks ass at selecting leaders.

I heard the regime was spreading among the soldiers that this war would somehow help Jesus return, I don't know if that is true but...you can just read anything in Revelations can't you?

[Sheilbh]

I heard the regime was spreading among the soldiers that this war would somehow help Jesus return, I don't know if that is true but...you can just read anything in Revelations can't you?

Sounding suspiciously like something the harlot would say