Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Razgovory]

Okay, you really need to work on your language.  You said Nazi.  LePen is not a Nazi.  The UKIP isn't Nazi.  Nazi does not mean "people that Josquius disagrees with".

Nazi, fascist, far right. In some contexts where nuance is unimportant these words are interchangeable.

Also the first post that triggered you never mentioned the word nazi.

So what you really meant was people who disagree with you support Israel.  In my original post I pointed out that the majority of people who are antisemites are themselves Muslim.  Hatred of Jews is basically the default in those countries.  I suppose you meant only white Westerners.  When Muslims do it it's not far right I guess.

[Jacob]

Raz - Josq was speaking of the Nazi-adjacent, racist, traditionally white supremacist far right in European and North American politics. This group of people have traditionally been hardcore anti-semitic but, in Josq's observation, those folks have largely shifted away from anti-semitism to being pro-Israel and anti-Muslim

That Muslims are or are not anti-semitic is neither here nor there in response to that observation (whether it's true or not).

[crazy canuck]

In my experience the only ones I've ever met in real life that were anti-semites came from muslim cultural environments, Iranians mostly. I don't think I've ever talked to a middle easterner about this kind of stuff without them being anti-semite in one way or the other.

And I have met quite a few nazis, they only rave about immigrants in general and muslims in particular. Sure, they might masturbate wildly to Hitler and company, but when speaking about the present context they don't talk much about Jews.

I misunderstood what you were saying Jos, sorry.

My experiences are similar to this, while I don't really open the topic in discussions with Muslims, and I don't talk to Muslims a ton--basically everyone I have ever heard utter real antisemitism in my personal life was a Muslim person ranting about Israel and crossing over into outright Jew bashing.

Also like you, my experience has been typical Neo-Nazis, despite their origin, rarely seem to talk that much about Jews, they talk far more about Muslims and other people they associate with immigration.

You have both met "quite a few Nazis"?

How and where?

[Josquius]

Okay, you really need to work on your language.  You said Nazi.  LePen is not a Nazi.  The UKIP isn't Nazi.  Nazi does not mean "people that Josquius disagrees with".

Nazi, fascist, far right. In some contexts where nuance is unimportant these words are interchangeable.

Also the first post that triggered you never mentioned the word nazi.

So what you really meant was people who disagree with you support Israel. 

Ah yes, the old you just call anyone who disagrees with you a nazi. When we are talking about groups that are uncontroversially far right and shit even if not technically actual nazis (though look at their history....).

Yeah.... This kind of attack demonstrates a problem on your end rather than mine.

[Razgovory]

Raz - Josq was speaking of the Nazi-adjacent, racist, traditionally white supremacist far right in European and North American politics. This group of people have traditionally been hardcore anti-semitic but, in Josq's observation, those folks have largely shifted away from anti-semitism to being pro-Israel and anti-Muslim

That Muslims are or are not anti-semitic is neither here nor there in response to that observation (whether it's true or not).

He really didn't make that clear.  Since he was talking about the "core" of antisemitism which is clearly in the Muslim world.  The clarified he was talking about Nazis, but after I showed that actual Nazis were still pretty anti-Jewish, he narrowed it down just people he disagreed with.

I don't know about "Nazi-adjacent" but traditionally racist, white supremacist describes pretty much the whole West up until fairly recently.  So what are talking about here?  The biological descendants of Dreyfusards are now okay with Jews who are far away but less okay with Muslims who are near by?

[PRC]

You have both met "quite a few Nazis"?

How and where?

Nuremberg Trials 2.0 'bout to kick off.

[Razgovory]

Okay, you really need to work on your language.  You said Nazi.  LePen is not a Nazi.  The UKIP isn't Nazi.  Nazi does not mean "people that Josquius disagrees with".

Nazi, fascist, far right. In some contexts where nuance is unimportant these words are interchangeable.

Also the first post that triggered you never mentioned the word nazi.

So what you really meant was people who disagree with you support Israel. 

Ah yes, the old you just call anyone who disagrees with you a nazi. When we are talking about groups that are uncontroversially far right and shit even if not technically actual nazis (though look at their history....).

Yeah.... This kind of attack demonstrates a problem on your end rather than mine.

Basically everyone is far right to you!  You thought I was a Trump supporter!

[Josquius]

Okay, you really need to work on your language.  You said Nazi.  LePen is not a Nazi.  The UKIP isn't Nazi.  Nazi does not mean "people that Josquius disagrees with".

Nazi, fascist, far right. In some contexts where nuance is unimportant these words are interchangeable.

Also the first post that triggered you never mentioned the word nazi.

So what you really meant was people who disagree with you support Israel. 

Ah yes, the old you just call anyone who disagrees with you a nazi. When we are talking about groups that are uncontroversially far right and shit even if not technically actual nazis (though look at their history....).

Yeah.... This kind of attack demonstrates a problem on your end rather than mine.

Basically everyone is far right to you!  You thought I was a Trump supporter!

.... We are talking about groups that anyone and everyone, usually themselves included, defines as far right....

And again "you just call everyone far right!" is a very bad look.

[Razgovory]

[anti-semitic imagery deleted - Jacob]
Traditional anti-Zionism from groups that everyone agrees are far left.  Communist, Socialist, Anarchist, Far Left, "In some contexts where nuance is unimportant these words are interchangeable".

Is it not surprising so many of the Far-left are anti-semetic?  Look where they saying 50 years ago!

[OttoVonBismarck]

You have both met "quite a few Nazis"?

How and where?

Sir I've been on reddit for 15 years.

[Jacob]

Raz, I'd appreciate it if you didn't post this kind of hateful images.

[crazy canuck]

You have both met "quite a few Nazis"?

How and where?

Sir I've been on reddit for 15 years.

Ah, that explains it

[Razgovory]

Raz, I'd appreciate it if you didn't post this kind of hateful images.

They aren't pleasant to look at but it is important.  The secretary of the UN said that Oct 7th didn't happen in a vacuum, so it's important to see the context that these things happen in.

[Jacob]

They aren't pleasant to look at but it is important.  The secretary of the UN said that Oct 7th didn't happen in a vacuum, so it's important to see the context that these things happen in.

We don't post blatantly racist images on languish.

[Admiral Yi]

Not even for educational purposes?